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Old 06-25-2008, 03:08 PM
 
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Here is the problem with your analysis, Flu. Operating a motor vehicle may well be a privilege. The ability to move about in our country without police harrassment is not. The whole point of the Constitution and Bill of Rights is to spell out exactly what the government may do (note: it does not "give us rights;" our rights exist and may not be given or taken away by any government).

It's also not a matter of whether stopping people at random to demand "papers" is an inconvenience or may lead to you being late.

It is a contravention of our basic rights in this country to live without unnecessary interference from the government; to live with the presumption that we are not criminals unless there is just cause for the authorities to think otherwise.

If the police can randomly stop you in your car, then why not when you are walking around? Perhaps they can come to your office at random and ask for documentation? If that's OK, then why not just knock on doors randomly? Hell; let's just have one massive trial, and if you cannot prove you've not broken the law, then off to prison with you.

We lived with that sort of law when George III was the King. It's been tried, and Americans did not like it.
Actually some one help me if I am wrong I do believe that businesses that hire immigrants can have the officials just show and check documentation already.
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Old 06-25-2008, 03:08 PM
 
Location: hinesburg, vt
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Quite a few good points both for and against. I actually worked in the LE occupation for a bit over twenty years and can honestly say I never went out of my way to target and track down people just for kicks or perceived violations. There are plenty of obvious probable cause laden target rich environments out there. I also most certainly agree that freedom to move freely is important, afterall that is how people can get themselves out of areas where regard for the law and true public safety are low on the agenda which sadly exist in ample quantities here.
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Old 06-25-2008, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Surprise, Az
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No it will not be next! Good heavens!
We do however need to STOP the Invasion and the free handouts!
How can you be sure? Once your willing to give up one right then why should they stop there? Because you drew the line at a certain point?

Anyways, read the post above you. It is a good one.
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Old 06-25-2008, 03:10 PM
 
Location: California
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I dont think it is a good idea. It leaves way too much room for racial profiling allegations despite it stopping everybody. Also, the libertarian inside me thinks it is too much of a police state effect.

One thing i will always support is a legal status check every time you have to handcuff someone. If the illegals here claim "they only want to work" let them prove it by staying out of trouble.
Agreed with all of this.
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Old 06-25-2008, 03:11 PM
 
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The States that are doing something about the illegals is due to the people wanting something done!
It has taken many hours of work to get them to this point from the "we the people" No one was doing anything about the illegal problem and the Liberals were encouraging the issue with adding more and more free handouts to them.

While the rest of us paid for their living illegally in our country getting better care than legal citizens.
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Old 06-25-2008, 03:12 PM
 
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How can you be sure? Once your willing to give up one right then why should they stop there? Because you drew the line at a certain point?

Anyways, read the post above you. It is a good one.
What about our right to be safe from foreigners in our own country!
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Old 06-25-2008, 03:18 PM
 
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What about our right to be safe from foreigners in our own country!
I didn't know foreigners were dangerous.
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Old 06-25-2008, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Surprise, Az
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What about our right to be safe from foreigners in our own country!
I understand that. But for me...and many others as you can see by the postings...are not willing to give up our rights as Americans. We need to find another solution that does not trample on our rights as US citizens.
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Old 06-25-2008, 03:19 PM
 
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Coincidentally, coming home from the White Mountains in New Hampshire last weekend, the border patrol stopped all traffic on I-93 south and checked for legal residency. That was a first, especially for a New Englander, and on a major interstate.
So what did they check for? Because having a drivers license or even a social security number is not sole proof of legal residency.
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Old 06-25-2008, 03:30 PM
 
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Coincidentally, coming home from the White Mountains in New Hampshire last weekend, the border patrol stopped all traffic on I-93 south and checked for legal residency. That was a first, especially for a New Englander, and on a major interstate.
Yes and according to a poster on the NH forum this is done quite frequently up north. I believe they caught an illegal alien or two who were living/working in Colebrook, NH. I recall last year they did these stops on I-89 near the Vermont/ New Hampshire border quite a bit too.


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