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Old 07-02-2008, 07:24 PM
 
Location: California
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Just realize there is a difference between the NCLR (national council of la raza) and "La Raza" in this context. You can be against Mecha and for the NCLR.
If youre getting info from a site like this:
http://www.mayorno.com/

I dont think the difference matters.
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Old 07-02-2008, 07:27 PM
 
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It's not a matter of "ties" -- it's a matter of legality. I don’t condone criminal behavior of black Americans, and I have “close ties” to them. I’m not following your logic.
Join the club. The only explanation that I have ever been able to come up with is that the small matter of being in the US illegally is a nonissue for La Raza. They see a Guatemalan illegal immigrant who has been arrested for identity theft and driving without a license and killing a cop ONLY as a fellow hispanic who must be defended no matter what. It doesn't seem to matter what they do.
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Old 07-02-2008, 07:29 PM
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Location: Denver
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If youre getting info from a site like this:
http://www.mayorno.com/

I dont think the difference matters.
Ha, yeah Walter Moore appears to be another Ron Paul 1 issue runner.
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Old 07-02-2008, 07:29 PM
 
Location: California
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Join the club. The only explanation that I have ever been able to come up with is that the small matter of being in the US illegally is a nonissue for La Raza. They see a Guatemalan illegal immigrant who has been arrested for identity theft and driving without a license and killing a cop ONLY as a fellow hispanic who must be defended no matter what. It doesn't seem to matter what they do.
come on now..find me one person who defends an illegal cop killer?
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Old 07-02-2008, 07:33 PM
 
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Join the club. The only explanation that I have ever been able to come up with is that the small matter of being in the US illegally is a nonissue for La Raza. They see a Guatemalan illegal immigrant who has been arrested for identity theft and driving without a license and killing a cop ONLY as a fellow hispanic who must be defended no matter what. It doesn't seem to matter what they do.
Once again, a 'real-time' example of the basic incompatibility of a society based on a legal construct (such as the USA is), and a society based on ethnic ties (such as is much of the Third World). There's SOME overlapping, some 'theoretical' changes happening in emerging nations, but at the end of the day, the two ways of thinking are simply incompatible. You just can't HAVE one, and have the other. And that's really what all this is about.
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Old 07-02-2008, 07:33 PM
 
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come on now..find me one person who defends an illegal cop killer?
I bet money Janet Murguia would! After all, the gringo stole his land. An even bigger challenge would be to find an example where La Raza actually CRITICIZED a hispanic person.

But I must agree, the killing a cop scenario may be a bit over the top. Let them defend illegals who merely shoot cops instead.
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Old 07-02-2008, 07:36 PM
 
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Once again, a 'real-time' example of the basic incompatibility of a society based on a legal construct (such as the USA is), and a society based on ethnic ties (such as is much of the Third World). There's SOME overlapping, some 'theoretical' changes happening in emerging nations, but at the end of the day, the two ways of thinking are simply incompatible. You just can't HAVE one, and have the other. And that's really what all this is about.
I agree.
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Old 07-02-2008, 07:36 PM
 
Location: California
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I bet money Janet Murguia would! After all, the gringo stole his land. An even bigger challenge would be to find an example where La Raza actually CRITICIZED a hispanic person.

But I must agree, the killing a cop scenario may be a bit over the top. Let them defend illegals who merely shoot cops instead.
I could just as well ask where someone from your camp cares about an illegal, or a Latino for that matter?
Such as, crying tears for Jamiel Shaw because he was killed by an illegal, and not even acknowledging the murder of a 3 year old Latina by a Black gangmember.
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Old 07-02-2008, 07:38 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Yeah, and that's demonstrated by all those Latinos serving in Iraq right now, who equate military service with patriotism.
Anyways, I wasn't speaking on that issue itself, but saying why a group like NCLR might consider immigration an important issue, for reasons other than greed, as Benicar was implying.
Again, I acknowledge the fact that their "initial" objectives may have been honorable. I simply feel they saw an opportunity to "profit" from the millions of illegal alien "Hispanics" much the same as the "opportunists" Al & Jesse. It's a lucrative business.
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Old 07-02-2008, 07:50 PM
 
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I could just as well ask where someone from your camp cares about an illegal, or a Latino for that matter?
Such as, crying tears for Jamiel Shaw because he was killed by an illegal, and not even acknowledging the murder of a 3 year old Latina by a Black gangmember.
You're going off on a tangent.
See, I as a white person do not feel a need to defend or make attempts to justify crimes committed by other white people. I as a person of my particular faith will not excuse someone who embezzles money simply because they follow the same religious beliefs I do. Nor am I going to say that a woman who scams Medicare should be given a lesser punishment because she is the same sex I am. EVERYBODY needs to be held to the same standards- as much as is possible. If we are to continue to function as a country, that is.
With La Raza, you have a group that advocates for a specific ethnicity, or whatever you want to call it, that seems to be saying:
THE RULES DON'T APPLY TO US!
There is always some excuse as to why they do not need to do the things that other Americans and especially future legal immigrants have to do. This ethnic solidarity or whatever one would call it may have served them very well in a Third World country back home. But it just ain't gonna work here in the US.
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