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Old 07-01-2008, 10:28 PM
 
Location: California
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National Council of La Raza: Policies (http://www.nclr.org/content/policy/detail/1067/ - broken link)


National Council of La Raza: Topics (http://www.nclr.org/content/topics/detail/498/ - broken link)


Promoting assimilation of immigrants and education among Latino Americans? Aint nothing wrong with that.

These people sound okay to me. Looking through their site, they seem pretty legit. I want to learn more about them. Maybe I'll head down to SD and check out that convention.
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Old 07-01-2008, 10:29 PM
 
Location: California
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NCLR associates themselves, quite frequently, with groups that are very racist and frankly, I don't think they need to be. There is legitimacy to the group as I don't think NCLR is a blatant anti-White or anti-American organization like MECHa or Aztlan. NCLR would serve its best interests by denouncing these organizations if it really wants to further the cause of Latinos here in America.
Agreed, but as a group themselves, they seem to be okay.
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Old 07-01-2008, 10:40 PM
 
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They ARE funding schools and supporting them. Your money funds our military does that mean you are a soldier?? You ask questions that have no relevance. The NCLR is just a cover organization for other groups with much less than stellar histories.
The U.S. government is just a "cover organization" for state governments with much less than stellar histories. (Not that U.S. history is spotless.)

The New Testament is just a "cover" for the Old Testament.

Oh, but that's different!

Like I expect to hear anything else...
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Old 07-01-2008, 11:48 PM
 
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I don't appreciate either of them offering legitimacy to La Raza in this fashion, or in any fashion. Why don't they just hang out with Fred Phelps, while they're both at it?

And "anti-immigrant" doesn't get it done. Try "anti-illegal". There is, in fact, a difference.
AGREED!

[Why don't some people just translate what La Raza means? ]
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Old 07-02-2008, 08:11 AM
 
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National Council of La Raza: Policies (http://www.nclr.org/content/policy/detail/1067/ - broken link)


National Council of La Raza: Topics (http://www.nclr.org/content/topics/detail/498/ - broken link)


Promoting assimilation of immigrants and education among Latino Americans? Aint nothing wrong with that.

These people sound okay to me. Looking through their site, they seem pretty legit. I want to learn more about them. Maybe I'll head down to SD and check out that convention.

Sure, looking at THEIR site. You're not going to get any negative press, pictures, stories, etc. Just take that information with a grain of salt.

My question is; why just Latino immigrants? If they aren't practicing a form of racism, then why not ALL immigrants? Just saying.
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Old 07-02-2008, 08:39 AM
 
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Then why are the 2 presidential candidates speaking in front of such a racist group this summer? I just don't understand it. John Mccain would never speak in front of the KKK, neither would Obama ever speak in front of the Black Panthers, or maybe LARAZA is not a racist group as some of you on the anti-immigrant crowd claim.
It doesnt take a genius to figure why a politician would kiss 'The Race's a$$.. Perhaps if they speak in front of 'Das Rennen' you would be able to wrap your mind around it.
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Old 07-02-2008, 11:27 AM
 
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La Raza works to advance the interests of hispanics and hispanics only, irrespective of whether these actions will benefit the US as a whole. That fits my definition of racist.
What differentiates La Raza from the NAACP and other ethnic advocacy groups is that La Raza very actively lobbies for and supports millions of hispanic non-citizens who are in the US illegally.
When the NAACP acts on behalf of an African American who has been discriminated against or treated unfairly in some way, they are asking that his or her rights as a US citizen be respected. I have no problem with that. The NAACP may act on behalf of illegal African immigrants in specific cases but this is not the major thrust of their organization.
IMO, what La Raza wants is a situation where the rules the rest of us are expected to abide by don't necessarily apply to their hispanic constituents. Legal and illegal status seem to be interchangeable and illegal status should have no negative connotation in their minds. These people are merely 'without papers'. Their real cause is amnesty for the millions from SOB who are already here and an essentially open border so that even more can be brought over. To me, adding millions of uneducated, unskilled individuals to the US as citizens is not a good idea. To La Raza, it is a great idea because it will increase their numbers, it does not matter if the majority of their new 'citizens' never made it past the third grade. The bottom line is that they want what they perceive as beneficial to their little group. If these benefits come at the expense of everybody else, too bad.
Their website is basically a smokescreen. They can claim that they only want border enforcement that
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is conducted fairly, humanely, and in a nondiscriminatory fashion
but I know, just as surely as I know the sun is going to come up in the morning, that no matter what the criteria are they are never going to be fair, humane and nondiscriminatory enough for La Raza.
They try to present themselves as a legitimate organization, but it does not take long for their veneer to wear thin, leaving their true agenda to show through.
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Old 07-02-2008, 12:19 PM
 
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La Raza works to advance the interests of hispanics and hispanics only, irrespective of whether these actions will benefit the US as a whole. That fits my definition of racist.
What differentiates La Raza from the NAACP and other ethnic advocacy groups is that La Raza very actively lobbies for and supports millions of hispanic non-citizens who are in the US illegally.
When the NAACP acts on behalf of an African American who has been discriminated against or treated unfairly in some way, they are asking that his or her rights as a US citizen be respected. I have no problem with that. The NAACP may act on behalf of illegal African immigrants in specific cases but this is not the major thrust of their organization.
IMO, what La Raza wants is a situation where the rules the rest of us are expected to abide by don't necessarily apply to their hispanic constituents. Legal and illegal status seem to be interchangeable and illegal status should have no negative connotation in their minds. These people are merely 'without papers'. Their real cause is amnesty for the millions from SOB who are already here and an essentially open border so that even more can be brought over. To me, adding millions of uneducated, unskilled individuals to the US as citizens is not a good idea. To La Raza, it is a great idea because it will increase their numbers, it does not matter if the majority of their new 'citizens' never made it past the third grade. The bottom line is that they want what they perceive as beneficial to their little group. If these benefits come at the expense of everybody else, too bad.
Their website is basically a smokescreen. They can claim that they only want border enforcement that

but I know, just as surely as I know the sun is going to come up in the morning, that no matter what the criteria are they are never going to be fair, humane and nondiscriminatory enough for La Raza.
They try to present themselves as a legitimate organization, but it does not take long for their veneer to wear thin, leaving their true agenda to show through.
How do you conduct border enforcement that's non-discriminatory? Isn't that what a border does ?.....separates those on one side, from those on the other? Isn't border enforcement SUPPOSED to discriminate, against those who aren't supposed to CROSSING that border? Isn't ALL of law enforcement, by definition, designed to discriminate?..to differentiate between those obeying the law (who should be 'left alone'), and those violating the law (who should be cited, apprehended, or 'penalized')? Sounds pretty discriminatory to ME.

Ah...but I digress. Mostly, I think your post just shows that "La Raza" doesn't have any racial connotations...it's more about "race" than about "race", don't you see? "Racial" but not "racist". Emphasizing 'ethnic solidarity', yet seeking inclusion. Get it? Mostly they're just misunderstood. Understand?....
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Old 07-02-2008, 01:59 PM
 
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Sure, looking at THEIR site. You're not going to get any negative press, pictures, stories, etc. Just take that information with a grain of salt.

My question is; why just Latino immigrants? If they aren't practicing a form of racism, then why not ALL immigrants? Just saying.
If you have a cause, you can't make it too broad or too general to get anything done. I don't understand why a Latino organization, when there are similar organizations for Blacks, Asians-Americans, Pacific Americans, Arab-Americans, and even some ethnic White Americans, is automatically considered racist. Just because it touches a lot on the immigration issue which many people are foaming at the mouth over.

This group seems to be directed at Latino-Americans with the issue of immigration being addressed because it obviously greatly affects the Latino community. The group isn't centered around immigration itself.
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Old 07-02-2008, 06:26 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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If you have a cause, you can't make it too broad or too general to get anything done. I don't understand why a Latino organization, when there are similar organizations for Blacks, Asians-Americans, Pacific Americans, Arab-Americans, and even some ethnic White Americans, is automatically considered racist. Just because it touches a lot on the immigration issue which many people are foaming at the mouth over.

This group seems to be directed at Latino-Americans with the issue of immigration being addressed because it obviously greatly affects the Latino community. The group isn't centered around immigration itself.
I’m sorry, but I can’t help but associate organizations such as La Raza with the former slave trade. I see them as a pseudo non-profit organization actually operating as a for-profit facilitator of the illegal alien “cheap labor” trade.

Their initial mission may have been honorable, and they may even have legitimate objectives today. However, I believe their focus has been diverted to the illegal alien “plight” due to sheer greed. I can’t imagine they have ever had a more profitable enterprise.

I consider Janet Murguria and La Raza as “genuine” as Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. If we had an influx of illegal alien Africans, and the NAACP became an advocate for their “legalization,” I would be equally appalled; particularly, if the NAACP was being funded by the corporations profiting from the cheap illegal labor.
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