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Very interesting article, thank you for sharing that!
It gives me hope that we just may make this 'melting pot' work yet
However, I didn't see where it said that the nation is going to turn Latino, the way I read it is that more and more people of all backgrounds are looking for common ground, not looking to 'Latinize' the land. a
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Very interesting article, thank you for sharing that!
It gives me hope that we just may make this 'melting pot' work yet
However, I didn't see where it said that the nation is going to turn Latino, the way I read it is that more and more people of all backgrounds are looking for common ground, not looking to 'Latinize' the land. a
It was just me saying that. I didn't mean as "Latinizing", but as the country becoming more Latino, as in the population jumping.
But I think every generation of Americans is becoming more tolerant of each other.
It was just me saying that. I didn't mean as "Latinizing", but as the country becoming more Latino, as in the population jumping.
But I think every generation of Americans is becoming more tolerant of each other.
Absolutely......when I think of how balkanized neighborhoods were in my grandparents day, and not as in black/white but as in the Germans didn't mix with the Czechs who didn't mix with the Polish who didn't mix with the Russians. And Catholics and Protestants never mixed with each other! My own parents were loudly condemned for having a mixed marriage -- he was an Irish christian scientist from Cali and she was a Czech catholic from Nebraska. Very scandalous --- but 52 years later still going strong
Absolutely......when I think of how balkanized neighborhoods were in my grandparents day, and not as in black/white but as in the Germans didn't mix with the Czechs who didn't mix with the Polish who didn't mix with the Russians. And Catholics and Protestants never mixed with each other! My own parents were loudly condemned for having a mixed marriage -- he was an Irish christian scientist from Cali and she was a Czech catholic from Nebraska. Very scandalous --- but 52 years later still going strong
Way I see it, when people are new to the country, they like to be surrounded by people like them.
As new generations spring up, they feel more comfortable to mingle with people of other groups.
And as racism is becoming less prevalent in this country, things can only get better.
Don't mean to sound mean-spirited here at ALL...but this is hardly a surprising piece of news...."Immigrants, especially Latinos, tend to be optimistic about life in America"? And this is NEWS? Seems pretty much like a no-brainer to me. Given that a huge percentage of these people arrived here illegally, and are now being 'given a pass' and will probably soon be "amnestized" (for the umpteenth time), why SHOULDN'T they be optimistic?
To make an analogy, imagine 1000 university students studying long and hard at great expense, sacrifice, and personal commitment, in pursuit of a prized 6-year Master's Degree. One month prior to graduation, 100 'new guys' show up, sit in on a few classes, begin 'grumbling' to the adminstration, until finally, it's decided these 'new guys' get the same Masters Degree as the original students. EVERYBODY is going to graduate "come loudly". THe 'new guys' should get the same degree as the 'old guys'....because they WANT it just as much.
Now...THINK FOR A MOMENT, please....which of these two "groups" (old students vs new 'unregistered students') is going to think he got 'the better deal'?.... which of these two groups is the most likely to brag that "Hey, man, a Master's Degree is a 'piece of cake'...nothin' TO it'.?
On the other hand, which of these two groups might be inclined to grumble that the system was unfair, and that their long-term investment in their education had been made to look meaningless and 'silly'?
The fact that "immigrants, particularly Latinos" are optimistic, doesn't surprise me one bit, particularly in view of the way we define the term "immigrant" today. Why SHOULDN'T they be optimistic?
PS I noticed there seemed to be no mention of "whites" in the article.....whether because they aren't considered 'diverse', or whether it's simply taken for granted they aren't optimistic, I'm not sure. As far as I know, however, whites are still a 'group'....so for that reason, I'd say the article was incomplete.
Don't mean to sound mean-spirited here at ALL...but this is hardly a surprising piece of news...."Immigrants, especially Latinos, tend to be optimistic about life in America"? And this is NEWS? Seems pretty much like a no-brainer to me. Given that a huge percentage of these people arrived here illegally, and are now being 'given a pass' and will probably soon be "amnestized" (for the umpteenth time), why SHOULDN'T they be optimistic?
To make an analogy, imagine 1000 university students studying long and hard at great expense, sacrifice, and personal commitment, in pursuit of a prized 6-year Master's Degree. One month prior to graduation, 100 'new guys' show up, sit in on a few classes, begin 'grumbling' to the adminstration, until finally, it's decided these 'new guys' get the same Masters Degree as the original students. EVERYBODY is going to graduate "come loudly". THe 'new guys' should get the same degree as the 'old guys'....because they WANT it just as much.
Now...THINK FOR A MOMENT, please....which of these two "groups" (old students vs new 'unregistered students') is going to think he got 'the better deal'?.... which of these two groups is the most likely to brag that "Hey, man, a Master's Degree is a 'piece of cake'...nothin' TO it'.?
On the other hand, which of these two groups might be inclined to grumble that the system was unfair, and that their long-term investment in their education had been made to look meaningless and 'silly'?
The fact that "immigrants, particularly Latinos" are optimistic, doesn't surprise me one bit, particularly in view of the way we define the term "immigrant" today. Why SHOULDN'T they be optimistic?
PS I noticed there seemed to be no mention of "whites" in the article.....whether because they aren't considered 'diverse', or whether it's simply taken for granted they aren't optimistic, I'm not sure. As far as I know, however, whites are still a 'group'....so for that reason, I'd say the article was incomplete.
The poll considered immigrant Latinos, Asians, and even Africans I believe AND long time American Latinos, Blacks, and Asians.
Im guessing it was just to gauge minority feelings in a country that wasn't always so minority-friendly.
And I bet a lot of those opinions are much higher than they were 30, 40 or even 20 years ago.
The poll wasn't just about optimism, but how these groups view each other. Some opinions werent very comforting, but overall it doesn't look like we're going to be at each others throats in the future.
Maybe just maybe we are growing out our distrust of each other, and will be able to become Americans without losing the identity of our heritage.
And for your analogy, I think its more like those in the Master's program at the nice university are grumbling about a bunch of people crashing classes at the local community college to get an Associates.
It doesn't really affect the former's education, but to them it's just plain wrong.
Don't mean to sound mean-spirited here at ALL...but this is hardly a surprising piece of news...."Immigrants, especially Latinos, tend to be optimistic about life in America"? And this is NEWS? Seems pretty much like a no-brainer to me. Given that a huge percentage of these people arrived here illegally, and are now being 'given a pass' and will probably soon be "amnestized" (for the umpteenth time), why SHOULDN'T they be optimistic?
To make an analogy, imagine 1000 university students studying long and hard at great expense, sacrifice, and personal commitment, in pursuit of a prized 6-year Master's Degree. One month prior to graduation, 100 'new guys' show up, sit in on a few classes, begin 'grumbling' to the adminstration, until finally, it's decided these 'new guys' get the same Masters Degree as the original students. EVERYBODY is going to graduate "come loudly". THe 'new guys' should get the same degree as the 'old guys'....because they WANT it just as much.
Now...THINK FOR A MOMENT, please....which of these two "groups" (old students vs new 'unregistered students') is going to think he got 'the better deal'?.... which of these two groups is the most likely to brag that "Hey, man, a Master's Degree is a 'piece of cake'...nothin' TO it'.?
On the other hand, which of these two groups might be inclined to grumble that the system was unfair, and that their long-term investment in their education had been made to look meaningless and 'silly'?
The fact that "immigrants, particularly Latinos" are optimistic, doesn't surprise me one bit, particularly in view of the way we define the term "immigrant" today. Why SHOULDN'T they be optimistic?
PS I noticed there seemed to be no mention of "whites" in the article.....whether because they aren't considered 'diverse', or whether it's simply taken for granted they aren't optimistic, I'm not sure. As far as I know, however, whites are still a 'group'....so for that reason, I'd say the article was incomplete.
I agree with you there. If the illegals ever get their amnesty, they should start the process from scratch. Ive been here in the US for 10 years and still am not a citizen, and i came here legally. Most latinos didnt come here legally, most came here the "right" way.
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