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Old 01-20-2007, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Journey's End
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How about if we look south on the map to South American countries like Bolivia?

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Canada has been independent for 130 years, that not long enough for you?

There are several examples of 3rd world countries turning themselves around. Ireland is one. Also consider S. Korea, Taiwan, Chile or Malaysia.
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Old 01-20-2007, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Haddington, E. Lothian, Scotland
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How about if we look south on the map to South American countries like Bolivia?
And your point is? He said there were no examples of 3rd would countries who turned themselves around. I just cited examples. So where does Bolivia come into it?
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Old 01-20-2007, 10:42 AM
 
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BOLIVIA turned itself around!

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And your point is? He said there were no examples of 3rd would countries who turned themselves around. I just cited examples. So where does Bolivia come into it?
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Old 01-20-2007, 01:54 PM
 
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BOLIVIA turned itself around!
Bolivia is worse off then Mexico (way more poverty), the country has just swept into power a radical leftist the likes of Hugo Chavez, so I hope you are kidding when you say this. Also, I think someone misunderstood what I was saying about Canada, I was referring to them being a 1st world nation, not 3rd world, so the small percentage of illegals coming from there is insignificant. Also, S. Korea was essentially colonialized by more than 1 country and our occupation/presence has helped them grow into a 1st world economic power (Japan modeled after the US while we helped rebuild that country). Chile or Malaysia, I can't really comment on, but they haven't really made themselves a 1st world power by any means IMO. Taiwan is a good example, but it has had tremendous help from the west, but yes it is one of few that I think may fit that criteria. Just an honest opinion.
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Old 01-20-2007, 02:05 PM
 
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I have been to Bolivia. One of my children lived there.

Yes, it was ranked one of the poorest nations in the world.

Yes, it has elected a man that is considered by some as leftist.

But under rightest rule the country remained poor--now they are trying to recuperate their losses--its own resources.

And sometimes I even like Chavez--he has a sense of humour (sending oil to the Bronx)

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Bolivia is worse off then Mexico (way more poverty), the country has just swept into power a radical leftist the likes of Hugo Chavez, so I hope you are kidding when you say this. Also, I think someone misunderstood what I was saying about Canada, I was referring to them being a 1st world nation, not 3rd world, so the small percentage of illegals coming from there is insignificant. Also, S. Korea was essentially colonialized by more than 1 country and our occupation/presence has helped them grow into a 1st world economic power (Japan modeled after the US while we helped rebuild that country). Chile or Malaysia, I can't really comment on, but they haven't really made themselves a 1st world power by any means IMO. Taiwan is a good example, but it has had tremendous help from the west, but yes it is one of few that I think may fit that criteria. Just an honest opinion.
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Old 01-20-2007, 04:53 PM
 
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I have been to Bolivia. One of my children lived there.

Yes, it was ranked one of the poorest nations in the world.

Yes, it has elected a man that is considered by some as leftist.

But under rightest rule the country remained poor--now they are trying to recuperate their losses--its own resources.

And sometimes I even like Chavez--he has a sense of humour (sending oil to the Bronx)
Well, on the topic of Chavez, this man is a definite threat to this nation. He wishes the US to be destroyed. Obviously, his sentiments are held throughout the region that has been exploited by big businesses, many coming from the US (so we understand in historical terms, why these feelings resonate with the people). He has aligned himself with the president of Iran, who's country is undeniably the #1 funding supporter of Islamic terrorism in the world. We've been at war with Iran since 1979 (indirectly). He is more dangerous than Castro (his idol) ever dreamed, because his country has large oil reserves and we get a considerable amount of oil from that country (Citgo is owned by Venezuala).

Having Morales in Bolivia siding with Chavez, amongst other leaders in Latin America, is not a good sign for our relations to this part of the world in the future and is steadily becoming one of conflict because these nations' are publicly denouncing the US as evil, etc. Chavez is crazy, like a fox and we need to keep our eye on how things develop in Latin America, because soon we will have a leader at our doorstep in Mexico who is sympathetic to these ideals (you can even argue that the man who lost the contested presidential election there was). It is unfortunate that we Americans have neglected Latin America over many years, but with dangerous people sweeping to power, it has begun to shine light on a region that has been ignored for too long and we must take action soon to avoid some type of future conflict.
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Old 01-20-2007, 07:57 PM
 
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I have many opinions and thoughts about LA and SA, their governments and the US government's relationship with them now and over the last 50 or more years. Not only have I spent time in SA, but I have worked on and off with PAHO (Pan American Health Organisation), the UN, USAID and other South American institutions and universities.

It would require another thread and more for me to articulate my thinking on this subject.

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Well, on the topic of Chavez, this man is a definite threat to this nation. He wishes the US to be destroyed. Obviously, his sentiments are held throughout the region that has been exploited by big businesses, many coming from the US (so we understand in historical terms, why these feelings resonate with the people). He has aligned himself with the president of Iran, who's country is undeniably the #1 funding supporter of Islamic terrorism in the world. We've been at war with Iran since 1979 (indirectly). He is more dangerous than Castro (his idol) ever dreamed, because his country has large oil reserves and we get a considerable amount of oil from that country (Citgo is owned by Venezuala).

Having Morales in Bolivia siding with Chavez, amongst other leaders in Latin America, is not a good sign for our relations to this part of the world in the future and is steadily becoming one of conflict because these nations' are publicly denouncing the US as evil, etc. Chavez is crazy, like a fox and we need to keep our eye on how things develop in Latin America, because soon we will have a leader at our doorstep in Mexico who is sympathetic to these ideals (you can even argue that the man who lost the contested presidential election there was). It is unfortunate that we Americans have neglected Latin America over many years, but with dangerous people sweeping to power, it has begun to shine light on a region that has been ignored for too long and we must take action soon to avoid some type of future conflict.
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Old 01-20-2007, 09:55 PM
 
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I have many opinions and thoughts about LA and SA, their governments and the US government's relationship with them now and over the last 50 or more years. Not only have I spent time in SA, but I have worked on and off with PAHO (Pan American Health Organisation), the UN, USAID and other South American institutions and universities.

It would require another thread and more for me to articulate my thinking on this subject.
This is very true and it's a complex topic that is probably inappropriate on this thread, but I understand where you are coming from.
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