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Old 07-08-2008, 01:04 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Personally, I couldn't care less whether or not young Mr. Shaw was in a gang, affiliated with a gang or a wannabe gang member. It really makes NO DAMNED DIFFERENCE! He was killed by an ILLEGAL ALIEN who was released from jail not 24 hours before rather than being held for deportation.

Make all the excuses you want, amc, it's still nothing more than a bunch of BS designed to lessen the criticism of L.A.'s Special Order 40.
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Old 07-08-2008, 08:13 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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what rock have you been sleeping under?.
No where does it say "News Break!" nor does it say "In Care of amc760"
Yes, it happened a few months ago. But not everone has the time to stay updated on every little incident that happens in this country like you do.

So why don't you lighten up on your "Mr, Know it All" attitude.
In case you didn't know, your not the only person on this forum.

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Old 07-08-2008, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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I just thought I'd do you a favor since you didn't seem to believe the first picture was Jamiel. Since photobucket is such a "credible source ". But yes, the first picture DOES indicate gang activity. Despite what his family tried to claim, he isn't doing the "hang loose" sign in that picture. Bloods don't surf.

But no, gangs don't have families or eat food.

They live in graffiti covered bombed out buildings and eat crack washed down with O.E.
Pardon my gang ignorance, but what is “surf” in the gang world?

You have missed the point of this thread. As GuyP has stated, had LA not been a sanctuary city, further compounded by Special Order 40, this young man (gang member or not) would not have been killed by this illegal alien. I realize in your mind, illegal alien Mexicans can do no wrong; and you will defend their criminal behavior ad nauseam. However, this, and many other tragedies, clearly exemplifies the consequences of a jurisdiction that refuses to deal with violent illegals. Rather, they release them back into the community; and in this case, with fatal results.

The life of a gang member is still a life; irrespective of race/ethnicity. As one with intimate knowledge of gangs, I would think you would have more compassion. It’s sad you fail to realize the tragedy of this situation. You’re too preoccupied with defending “your people.” Two young lives have been destroyed; one is dead, the other will (hopefully) spend the better part of his life behind bars. How incredibly sad.
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Old 07-08-2008, 08:51 AM
 
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The life of a gang member is still a life; irrespective of race/ethnicity. As one with intimate knowledge of gangs, I would think you would have more compassion. It’s sad you fail to realize the tragedy of this situation. You’re too preoccupied with defending “your people.” Two young lives have been destroyed; one is dead, the other will (hopefully) spend the better part of his life behind bars. How incredibly sad.
One can't escape the feeling that while everybody admits this is a tragedy, and it's wrong, and that theoretically, it's a 'bad thing', some of us, in the back of our minds, also think it's kind of "cool". That's the impression I get, at least. I sincerely HOPE I'm mistaken.
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Old 07-08-2008, 01:53 PM
 
Location: California
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amc760 wrote:[/b]

No where does it say "News Break!" nor does it say "In Care of amc760"
Yes, it happened a few months ago. But not everone has the time to stay updated on every little incident that happens in this country like you do.

So why don't you lighten up on your "Mr, Know it All" attitude.
In case you didn't know, your not the only person on this forum.
theres been literally 3 or 4 threads with the subject of the Jamiel Shaw murder.
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Old 07-08-2008, 01:54 PM
 
Location: California
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One can't escape the feeling that while everybody admits this is a tragedy, and it's wrong, and that theoretically, it's a 'bad thing', some of us, in the back of our minds, also think it's kind of "cool". That's the impression I get, at least. I sincerely HOPE I'm mistaken.
From who?
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Old 07-08-2008, 01:58 PM
 
Location: California
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Pardon my gang ignorance, but what is “surf” in the gang world?

You have missed the point of this thread. As GuyP has stated, had LA not been a sanctuary city, further compounded by Special Order 40, this young man (gang member or not) would not have been killed by this illegal alien. I realize in your mind, illegal alien Mexicans can do no wrong; and you will defend their criminal behavior ad nauseam. However, this, and many other tragedies, clearly exemplifies the consequences of a jurisdiction that refuses to deal with violent illegals. Rather, they release them back into the community; and in this case, with fatal results.

The life of a gang member is still a life; irrespective of race/ethnicity. As one with intimate knowledge of gangs, I would think you would have more compassion. It’s sad you fail to realize the tragedy of this situation. You’re too preoccupied with defending “your people.” Two young lives have been destroyed; one is dead, the other will (hopefully) spend the better part of his life behind bars. How incredibly sad.
There you go, putting words in my mouth.

Yeah, I am defending "my people". As in the Mexican-American community from another charge of a "hate crime" when it clearly wasn't. Thats the point.
Everybody labelled this a "hate crime" or "ethnic cleansing" a "racist murder of an innocent black kid" and it was more than likely gang related. Even if Jamiel wasn't an actual member.

Or did you forget what we were arguing before you decided to force more labels on me?

And I think it's funny youre trying to turn it around on me with your "sympathy" as opposed to my colder view of the situation. I've already said my piece on how I feel about the situation. But back then you were more set on blaming it on Mexican racism and how you don't believe in the victim of the environment thing. Remember?
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Old 07-08-2008, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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There you go, putting words in my mouth.

Yeah, I am defending "my people". As in the Mexican-American community from another charge of a "hate crime" when it clearly wasn't. Thats the point.
Everybody labelled this a "hate crime" or "ethnic cleansing" a "racist murder of an innocent black kid" and it was more than likely gang related. Even if Jamiel wasn't an actual member.

Or did you forget what we were arguing before you decided to force more labels on me?

And I think it's funny youre trying to turn it around on me with your "sympathy" as opposed to my colder view of the situation. I've already said my piece on how I feel about the situation. But back then you were more set on blaming it on Mexican racism and how you don't believe in the victim of the environment thing. Remember?
Obviously, you are much closer to this subculture than I realized. Therefore, I will defer to your superior knowledge of the details of this particular case. If you say it was simply gangs fighting over turf, drugs, or whatever -- and they feel no hatred for one another -- race was totally a non-issue, I guess I’ll have to leave it at that.

BTW, you still haven’t explained what “surf” is. Just curious.
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Old 07-08-2008, 03:55 PM
 
Location: California
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BTW, you still haven’t explained what “surf” is. Just curious.
You know, surf? That thing with the guy standing on a board riding ocean waves?
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Old 07-08-2008, 04:19 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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You know, surf? That thing with the guy standing on a board riding ocean waves?
Very funny. You used the word in the context of gang activity. No problem, it's not as though I'll be ostracized at the next social gathering for not knowing it.
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