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Old 07-10-2008, 08:41 AM
 
Location: Maryland Eastern Shore
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Originally Posted by Mach50 View Post
Can you provide a number of an American business that requires you to press 2 for English?
Is that really the point? I shouldn't have to press ANYTHING for ENGLISH.

I am not concerned if it is #1 or #2 or #3.

Edited to add - since you asked:
http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...r_english.html
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Old 07-10-2008, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Central NJ, USA
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Is that really the point? I shouldn't have to press ANYTHING for ENGLISH.

I am not concerned if it is #1 or #2 or #3.
I am going to have to disagree here. BUSINESSES can and should provide whatever services that they think are necessary for them to have a competitive advantage. If they have a significant number of Spanish-speaking customers, then they would be stupid not to offer this option. If enough English-speaking people resent it, and resent it sufficiently not to provide those businesses with their custom, the policies will be re-considered. I have *no* problem with a private enterprise doing this.

If you are talking about tax-supported government agencies or Quangos, then I agree. There should *not* be Spanish.
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Old 07-10-2008, 08:51 AM
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Location: Denver
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I listened to Obama's speech again and I think many are taking what he said out of context, he said simply that "You Need to Make Sure that Your Child Can Speak Spanish"
Now as a hispanic person that means to me (as the audience) Americans need to stop worrying about us learning English, eventually that will happen. But what about making sure your kids learn Spanish?

Should he had been so PC as to replace the word "Spanish" with "another language", that would have been acceptable.

Let's try:

"You Need to Make Sure that Your Child Can Speak Another Language"

Nice!

There could be little argument with his statement that it would be good for Americans to learn another language -- but why the emphasis on Spanish seem to be the issue. But given his audience at the time, many would have assumed Spanish anyways.

Spanish is the second most spoken language in US, so that is why it makes sense to me as a second language.

http://www.census.gov/prod/2005pubs/06statab/pop.pdf

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From that source:

Table 47. Languages Spoken at Home by Language: 2003
[263,230 represents 263,230,000. Covers population 5 years old and over. The American Community Survey universe is limited to the household population and excludes the population living in institutions, college dormitories, and other group quarters. Based on a sample and subject to sampling variability; see text of this section and Appendix III]
Language Number (1,000)
Total population 5 years and over . . . . . . . 263,230
Speak only English . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 214,809
Spanish or Spanish Creole . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 29,698
French (incl. Patois, Cajun). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1,379
Also consider this:
http://www.strictlyspanish.com/white_paper4.htm
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Old 07-10-2008, 08:54 AM
 
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OK... Enough of the BS... Does Obama or ANY OF HIS KIDS speak Spanish??? If not, he's nothing more than a pandering LIAR!!!!
Someone needs to ask Obama if he and Michelle have signed up for Spanish lessons yet.
It is also rumored that Obama smokes. If that is the case, he is in a poor position to advise the rest of us on ways to improve ourselves.
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Old 07-10-2008, 08:57 AM
Status: "Make America the Great Joke Again" (set 23 days ago)
 
Location: Denver
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Someone needs to ask Obama if he and Michelle have signed up for Spanish lessons yet.
It is also rumored that Obama smokes. If that is the case, he is in a poor position to advise the rest of us on ways to improve ourselves.
McCain calls his wife Cindy the C**t word, he also cheated on his x-wife with Cindy.
He committed adultery.

Smoking all of sudden sounds ok to me.
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Old 07-10-2008, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Maryland Eastern Shore
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I am going to have to disagree here. BUSINESSES can and should provide whatever services that they think are necessary for them to have a competitive advantage. If they have a significant number of Spanish-speaking customers, then they would be stupid not to offer this option.
I may have been vague - I meant it should AUTOMATICALLY be English - any other languages the business wishes to provide for is fine - i.e.

Hello you have reached ABC Company - to continue in any language other than ENGLISH - press "O" (2 second delay) - then continue in ENGLISH
THEN the other speakers can listen to the 27 language and 45 dialect choices
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Old 07-10-2008, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Central NJ, USA
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I may have been vague - I meant it should AUTOMATICALLY be English - any other languages the business wishes to provide for is fine - i.e.

Hello you have reached ABC Company - to continue in any language other than ENGLISH - press "O" (2 second delay) - then continue in ENGLISH
THEN the other speakers can listen to the 27 language and 45 dialect choices
Again, it's irrelevant. We are talking about ABC Company, not the US government. They are making a business decision. If you do not like that decision, one of the nice things about a quasi-free market economy is that ABC Company likely has competitors.

Vote with your feet.
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Old 07-10-2008, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Maryland Eastern Shore
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Vote with your feet.
Yes - I do - and I vote with the telephone receiver as well. When that "push this for that" message begins - I hang up.

And I agree (obviously) that the government needs to operate in only ONE language - ENGLISH.
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Old 07-10-2008, 09:06 AM
 
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Ah, but learning Spanish is more marketable and I've always kept that in sight. While others apply for jobs that say "bilingual preferred," I am, so guess who gets the job? I didn't do this out of the goodness of my heart. I had an incentive and did so over 20 years ago. The chickens are just coming home to roost now.
You seem to be implying that what you see as an overriding advantage in your field will also be an advantage in another field. This is simply not true. Spending a year completing a pediatric fellowship will confer far more advantages to an anesthesiologist than spending a year learning spanish. How is learning spanish going to help a physicist? Or a train engineer? Or the guy working in an automobile plant? Frankly, I do not see any chickens coming home to roost at all. I would suspect that the guy who learned Mandarin Chinese instead of spanish would probably command an even higher salary.
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Old 07-10-2008, 09:07 AM
 
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Can you provide a number of an American business that requires you to press 2 for English?

You're kidding right? Sears, JC Penney, Citibank, Chase Bank, those are just for starters. . . you can look up the numbers for yourself. In the meantime, take your pick.
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