News Flash - Illegal Aliens Deported

[RedNC]

Originally Posted by jest721

It is not true that illegals don't contribute to education costs. Many of the raw numbers demand interpretation. Most homeowners with children don't pick up the full cost of educating their chidlren. The balance is picked up by the remainder of home owners, through property taxes, that don't have children. Even a family of illegals living in a rental is paying for education, it' built into the rent. The dollar for dollar standard isn't implemented anywhere else. Welfare recipients are a far greater drain on the economy, and they certainly don't contribute dollar for dollar to what they take out. At least the immigrant workers are driving the economy and keeping prices low. That is the economic impact that anti-immigration people skirt.

Then the least they could do is pay for the extra costs for bi-lingual education.
The lower labor costs are not passed on to the consumer as you stated. They are mostly enjoyed by the employer. I guarantee if all the illegals left today they would be replaced by US citizens. Any higher costs would be more than offset by the lower costs of, education, healthcare, infrastructure, and the money earned would not go to prop up a foreign country instead it would go back into the economy.

[christa17]

There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I do not refer to naturalized Americans. Some of the very best Americans I have ever known were naturalized Americans, Americans born abroad. But a hyphenated American is not an American at all.
This is just as true of the man who puts “native” before the hyphen as of the man who puts German or Irish or English or French before the hyphen. Americanism is a matter of the spirit and of the soul. Our allegiance must be purely to the United States. We must unsparingly condemn any man who holds any other allegiance.
But if he is heartily and singly loyal to this Republic, then no matter where he was born, he is just as good an American as any one else.
The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English- Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian- Americans, or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality than with the other citizens of the American Republic.
The men who do not become Americans and nothing else are hyphenated Americans; and there ought to be no room for them in this country. The man who calls himself an American citizen and who yet shows by his actions that he is primarily the citizen of a foreign land, plays a thoroughly mischievous part in the life of our body politic. He has no place here; and the sooner he returns to the land to which he feels his real heart-allegiance, the better it will be for every good American.
Addressing the Knights of Columbus in New York City
12 October 1915

[jest721]

Originally Posted by christa17

There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I do not refer to naturalized Americans. Some of the very best Americans I have ever known were naturalized Americans, Americans born abroad. But a hyphenated American is not an American at all.
This is just as true of the man who puts “native” before the hyphen as of the man who puts German or Irish or English or French before the hyphen. Americanism is a matter of the spirit and of the soul. Our allegiance must be purely to the United States. We must unsparingly condemn any man who holds any other allegiance.
But if he is heartily and singly loyal to this Republic, then no matter where he was born, he is just as good an American as any one else.
The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English- Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian- Americans, or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality than with the other citizens of the American Republic.
The men who do not become Americans and nothing else are hyphenated Americans; and there ought to be no room for them in this country. The man who calls himself an American citizen and who yet shows by his actions that he is primarily the citizen of a foreign land, plays a thoroughly mischievous part in the life of our body politic. He has no place here; and the sooner he returns to the land to which he feels his real heart-allegiance, the better it will be for every good American.
Addressing the Knights of Columbus in New York City
12 October 1915

I disagree completely. It is what comes before the hyphen that makes us
unique from any other country in the world. It's on the statue of liberty! These are the people we want. We want people to be whoever they are, but be it as an American. This idea that people have to give up their heritage to be American is ludicrous. America is a conglomeration of vastly different beliefs. I was born here and have lived here my entire life. That in no way takes away from the heritage that extends beyond my years, it is still a part of who I am.
It does no damage to you if we celebrate St Patricks Day, Cinco de Mayo, Boxing Day (eh?), what damages america is excluding anyone that wants to be a part of it.

[christa17]

Originally Posted by jest721

I disagree completely. It is what comes before the hyphen that makes us
unique from any other country in the world. It's on the statue of liberty! These are the people we want. We want people to be whoever they are, but be it as an American. This idea that people have to give up their heritage to be American is ludicrous. America is a conglomeration of vastly different beliefs. I was born here and have lived here my entire life. That in no way takes away from the heritage that extends beyond my years, it is still a part of who I am.
It does no damage to you if we celebrate St Patricks Day, Cinco de Mayo, Boxing Day (eh?), what damages america is excluding anyone that wants to be a part of it.

wow youre a thinker ...dont see where it says give up your heritage anywhere?could you please show me.thank you.but you must put being an american before you r heritage and dont you think that those holidays are just that holidays (a specfic time to celebrate,,,,,,not year round ,just 1 day)
BTW the statue of liberty is closed

[christa17]

Originally Posted by RedNC

Then the least they could do is pay for the extra costs for bi-lingual education.
The lower labor costs are not passed on to the consumer as you stated. They are mostly enjoyed by the employer. I guarantee if all the illegals left today they would be replaced by US citizens. Any higher costs would be more than offset by the lower costs of, education, healthcare, infrastructure, and the money earned would not go to prop up a foreign country instead it would go back into the economy.

+1 rednc

jest jest cant see past welfare ,,another thing that will bring the country to its knees.
but i guess we need to rember that just because they are (willingly) being exploited here dosent mean that they arent doing better off here.Ther are just doing it at our expense.

[jest721]

Originally Posted by christa17

+1 rednc

jest jest cant see past welfare ,,another thing that will bring the country to its knees.
but i guess we need to rember that just because they are (willingly) being exploited here dosent mean that they arent doing better off here.Ther are just doing it at our expense.

Are you talking about welfare for Americans or illegals?

[christa17]

Originally Posted by jest721

Are you talking about welfare for Americans or illegals?

Now you are gettin with it
BOTH well fare hurts us all.we should be able to provide it for fellow americans but not need to .And what dont people get about illegal is just that?

[jest721]

Originally Posted by christa17

Now you are gettin with it
BOTH well fare hurts us all.we should be able to provide it for fellow americans but not need to .And what dont people get about illegal is just that?

I'm not touching welfare for americans (at least on this thread). The only welfare costs to illegals is for WIC programs and school lunch. There is actually a net benefit for Soc Sec and Medicare of $7 Billion. Welfare is very broad. We can break it down, it makes the analysis easier.