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Old 01-20-2007, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Orange County
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I think corruption in our government has a great deal to do with Illegal aliens (criminals), don't you agree?
It is highly likely that corruption does play a role in the immigration situation, but you did not supply any specific relevent sources, statitistics, or arguments to facilitate a solution (which is the point of this thread) that prevents further corruption.

I can proclaim incessantly that the "boys in Washington" don't care for poor people, but if I don't supplement my opinion with facts, it fares poorly in public discourse.

Anyways, thanks to all of the contributors that have (mostly) kept this a civil and intelligent discussion.

 
Old 01-20-2007, 10:42 PM
 
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Don't try so hard to sugar coat it for your boys in Washington by getting on the subject of city and county offices. When I mentioned "corruption" you knew exactly what I was saying. YOUR BOYS IN WASHINGTON.

Oh what a tangled web we weave when we practice to decieve.
That's funny! I may be good sometimes and dense at others, but I'm not a mind reader. Nor have I ever been good at reading between the lines. So, believe me, I really didn't know exactly what you meant. Sugar coating my words has never been a good skill of mine either (especially according to my ex). And no boys in Washington. I emailed my city councilman once and not even HE wrote back.

But onward to the topic at hand. Corruption at the Federal level of government. Oh, yes, I agree with you. The past six years in particular are the worst I've seen.

Regarding immigration, it seems I heard that a Border Patrol Agent was recently arrested for letting people slip by for payola. He was in cahoots with his girlfriend who either lived in Mexico or otherwise spent a lot of time there. Anyone know how widespread corruption with Border Patrol Agents is? What oversight do they have? What's the likelihood of high-level corruption at the border going unnoticed? It'd be great to hear from someone who works as a Border Patrol Agent on this.

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Old 01-20-2007, 11:06 PM
 
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Default Really wish you'd stick around

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I'm done with every immigration thread on this site. The treatment of illegal immigrants breaks me in half. You win!
Really wish you'd stick around on this thread at least, dusesean1986, and help try to keep it on topic -- discussing higher-level questions/answers for dealing with illegal immigration. Even simple answers have merit as long as they're not full of intolerance. But I'm hoping that folks with a propensity to look no further than "deport/deny them" might just get bored here after a while and vent on another thread. So what d'ya say? Stick around?

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Old 01-21-2007, 12:37 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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It is highly likely that corruption does play a role in the immigration situation, but you did not supply any specific relevent sources, statitistics, or arguments to facilitate a solution (which is the point of this thread) that prevents further corruption.

I can proclaim incessantly that the "boys in Washington" don't care for poor people, but if I don't supplement my opinion with facts, it fares poorly in public discourse.

Anyways, thanks to all of the contributors that have (mostly) kept this a civil and intelligent discussion.
As many post as there are on illegals and corruption in our government in this forum, any one that doesn't have a grasp on it by now never will.SWOOSH
 
Old 01-21-2007, 04:36 PM
 
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Why can't we bring up rounding them up and deporting them? Iit's been do in the past (rounded up and deported them, ever heard of IKE, he did it)....What law says a state cannot protect its own borders....first time I've heard that.....National is under the control of the States....and they are military....

Guest worked program? What do you do with the ones already here ? Tell them to go home first ? And then they can return? No, I see, we let the 12 to 20 million stay and guest worker another 40 million after they come here illegal....Guess what, then we can start this all over agin in 2026 just like we have from 1986...
 
Old 01-21-2007, 07:13 PM
 
Location: Orange County
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I can't comment on any sort of mass deportation during the Eisenhower administration, but I can comment on the wrongful mass deportation that ocurred between the first and second World Wars and the Great Depression. About 500,000 residents of Mexican heritage were 'volunarily repatriated' during the Mexican Repatriation movement. What made the sequence of events wrongful was that the government deported "brown-skinned" peoples indiscriminately-- U.S. born citizens, naturalized citizens, legal residents, and illegal aliens were lumped into a single category and forced out the country. What's perhaps the saddest part is that these people filled the thousands upon thousands of job vacancies during WWI. Then, once the war concluded and the Great Depression swept through the nation, these laborers were deemed expendable and were purged from White Society.

While many contributors on these forums have no moral qualms against a similar movement, many of these issues would become major factors if a mass deportation was reinstated. An attempt to deport the upwards of 15 or 20 million illegal immigrants sounds fabulous in theory, but is logistically and economically not plausible to undergo. Furthermore, the "deport them all" solution is nothing more than an empty provocation that will not likely come to fruition.
 
Old 01-21-2007, 10:55 PM
 
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An attempt to deport the upwards of 15 or 20 million illegal immigrants sounds fabulous in theory, but is logistically and economically not plausible to undergo. Furthermore, the "deport them all" solution is nothing more than an empty provocation that will not likely come to fruition.
Just worth a second read. Awesome!

It is precisely because of what's stated here that we must move on to another level of discussion. "Rounding them up," as texanborn put it, (though we are talking about men, women and children and not cattle) and "deport them" is beyond this country's abilities at this point.

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Old 01-22-2007, 06:41 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Just worth a second read. Awesome!

It is precisely because of what's stated here that we must move on to another level of discussion. "Rounding them up," as texanborn put it, (though we are talking about men, women and children and not cattle) and "deport them" is beyond this country's abilities at this point.

Sounds like texanborn has a good idea, they came across the border in herds like cattle... why not send them back the same way?
 
Old 01-22-2007, 10:48 PM
 
Location: Orange County
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Sweet, let's completely disregard all human rights. While we're at it, let's treat all prisoners as animals simply because 'a lot' of crime these days is commited inhumanely.

As Mr. Powers would say, throw me a freakin bone!
 
Old 01-22-2007, 10:57 PM
 
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Sweet, let's completely disregard all human rights. While we're at it, let's treat all prisoners as animals simply because 'a lot' of crime these days is commited inhumanely.

As Mr. Powers would say, throw me a freakin bone!
Let's completely disregard Jim280 on this thread and get back to halfway intelligent discussion.
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