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Old 07-13-2008, 03:19 AM
 
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This is a good article talking about just this subject. It brings forth both sides.

What if we threw out all the illegal immigrants? - MSN Money

Da**ed if you do and da**ed if you don't.
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Old 07-13-2008, 03:22 AM
 
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No I do not support the exploitation of illegal workers in the name of capitalism. I do believe in free market capitalism be it price of goods or wages.

We are not here to debate me but yes I have broken sweat, working many years in restaurants as busboy, dishwasher and cook while I went to college and paid my own tuition without the help of parents and little to no assistance from the government. No assistance because both parents worked and made too much for me to quality yet they were not able to help me. Of course I could have opted to not go to college and then later to continue my education but then again I was determined to not to have to work as a cook or other sweat bearing jobs the rest of my life as it was my choice.

So if you don't think that is back breaking sweat bearing work then I am sorry for you. If you are unhappy about where you are in this free market (capitalistic) society then too bad. The moment the government steps in and starts to dictate how much wages should be (other than minimum wage) or that you need to move to state X because that is where the jobs are and you are not allowed to collect because there IS work for your capable body in state X, will be the moment we hear the outcries of injustice by US citizens.
Oh and was born in 1965 (you do the math), have been through a few recessions (slowdowns as they preferred to call them), a few oil crisis, 2 layoffs, unemployed, sweat a little more as a cook until finding work in my industry, divorced, single, but no kids.

Back to topic - I think if the recession turns ugly I am well equipped and prepared for whatever comes... bring it on!
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Old 07-13-2008, 07:12 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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You didn't specify age. Let time I checked an adult is 18+ or 21+ if you want to include both ability to vote and drink alcohol. The period of my life I refer to is 18 - 25 which still qualify as adulthood. Hard work builds character and maturity. I worked, studied and slept during those years and was not a spring break brat which I am sure you assume me to be.

By the way... you cannot disrupt the "natural law" of supply and demand in a "free" market. You can only disrupt it in a controlled and regulated market. Hence the downfall of Communism and the trials and tribulations of Socialism.
China: the bastard step-child of Capitalism and Communism.
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Old 07-13-2008, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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By the way... you cannot disrupt the "natural law" of supply and demand in a "free" market. You can only disrupt it in a controlled and regulated market. Hence the downfall of Communism and the trials and tribulations of Socialism.
I'm sorry, when discussing the American labor market I tend to think nationalistically, not globally. That 'natural market' has been altered by the addition of millions of workers. Hence wage stagnation and deflation for our most vulnerable American workers.

I don't agree with that. You shouldn't, either.
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Old 07-13-2008, 05:05 PM
 
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Hmmm Sounds like Socialism or worse Communism both of which go against our individualistic ideals and capitalistic society.
I think you have that backwards...
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