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Old 07-11-2008, 09:45 AM
Status: "Make America the Great Joke Again" (set 22 days ago)
 
Location: Denver
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Originally Posted by JDubsMom View Post
I am not ignorant, nor am I a racist. I am merely the OP. When you can come up with an explanation as to why rapes of minor children at the hands of illegal aliens are voluminous and becoming a daily "norm" when prior to this invasion, while these crimes were commited by Americans, they did not occur daily, then you can claim the stories are falacies of those of us who are against illegal immigration.
Daily Norm? Can you prove any of what you just said to be true?

1) Cite for us statistics of illegals (make sure they are Mexican too) that prove rapes of minors to be a daily norm.

2) Cite for us statistics of Americans prior to the illegals, committing rapes of minors at a non-daily norm.

Back it up, otherwise you are just posting air.
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Old 07-11-2008, 09:55 AM
Status: "Make America the Great Joke Again" (set 22 days ago)
 
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As I said. it's offensive and overly broad. Taken out of context, yes, it's out of line.

But so are a LOT of things posted on this forum. It's a touchy subject. People say offensive things, and offensive things cause offense. That's why I stated "I'm not touching this one" as far as its specific content.
This is the only forum on the site that seems to be a "free for all" post any random story as factual and official for discussion, with 1 caveat, the randomness must be anti-illegal and mostly anti-Mexican.

Yet to make a point I posted a random race bashing story site once and was told I am "race baiting" over and over. This is a 'click' forum with a double standard for posting criteria.


Is this OP not race baiting?
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Old 07-11-2008, 10:23 AM
 
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Well, why are the birthrates of hispanic teens the highest of any "race" here in the U.S.?

www.thenationalcampaign.org/espanol/PDF/latino_overview.pdf
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Old 07-11-2008, 10:29 AM
Status: "Make America the Great Joke Again" (set 22 days ago)
 
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Well, why are the birthrates of hispanic teens the highest of any "race" here in the U.S.?
Catholicism is what I blame.

How does hispanic teen birthrate relate to this post which states:

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Your children are not safe when young Mexican males are around.
Are you saying these are rapes?
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Old 07-11-2008, 10:31 AM
 
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Daily Norm? Can you prove any of what you just said to be true?

1) Cite for us statistics of illegals (make sure they are Mexican too) that prove rapes of minors to be a daily norm.

2) Cite for us statistics of Americans prior to the illegals, committing rapes of minors at a non-daily norm.

Back it up, otherwise you are just posting air.
First of all who is US, besides yourself and the one or two other regular trolls who perpetually defend the indefensible in this thread?

"US" would deny Elvira Arellano and thousands of other illegal alien breeders PRIMARILY FROM MEXICO aren't breeding at the speed of sound for the purpose of pimping their children as a source of income, benefits, future chain migration and a sob story/shield against deportation.

That being said, we are both aware that for decades the duplicity of corporate America, the US government and the MSM have been more than instrumental in preventing the stories, and true statistics of the abundance of criminal activities perpetrated against Americans at the hands of illegal aliens. For that reason alone, no matter what statistical data I post, it will be disputed because it is varied depending upon the source and the inception of documentation.

Again, I can post stories and websites that have names, dates and the crimes perpetrated against Americans (an abundance of stories of rapes, and sex with minors) all day long and after I did that, you and your IA hugging buddies will call me a racist, liar, etc., because you have no legitimate defense to prove otherwise.
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Old 07-11-2008, 10:31 AM
 
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Catholicism is what I blame.

How does hispanic teen birthrate relate to this post which states, are saying these are rapes?
If a girl gets pregnant as an underaged teen, it's rape.
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Old 07-11-2008, 10:35 AM
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If a girl gets pregnant as an underaged teen, it's rape.
Now I am no rape expert, but is that true?
Even if they are both underage, ages 15-19, and both consented to it?

I thought that depended on state law and still was not considered rape, I would betcha we have a lot of rapes going on then.
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Old 07-11-2008, 10:37 AM
 
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As a person whose race has been plagued by the ugliness of stereotypes for hundreds of years, I can certainly appreciate the feelings of Hispanics in response to stories such as this. That being said, I really don’t believe this woman’s story was posted for the express purpose of maligning Mexicans or specifically Mexican men. Rather, I believe it was intended to illustrate one element of the menace we are forced to endure from our porous borders, and lack of enforcement of our immigration laws.

I read stories on a daily basis of heinous crimes being committed by illegal aliens; many of which are perpetrated against teenagers and defenseless children. Some are so disturbing that simply based on the title, I opt not to read. I have to daily remind myself that these deplorable acts are not representative of the vast majority of illegal aliens. I also have to remind myself that although there are millions of illegal aliens residing in our country in flagrant violation of our laws, a distinction must be made between the “average” illegal and the vile reprobates; not to absolve them, but to separate them from an undeserving characterization.

I cringe each time I see a news report of a black person involved in criminal behavior. Why? Because I know it is simply another nail in the coffin of the black stereotype. Stereotypes are one of the most insidious evils to be ascribed to a group of people, and once firmly established, are virtually impervious. All members of the stereotyped group are burdened and suffer for the negative behavior of a few.

I have spent the majority of my life fighting to dispel negative black stereotypes. I did all of the “right” things…..excelled in school, earned degrees, exemplary employee, paid my bills, paid my taxes, instilled values in my son, etc., etc., etcetera. Notwithstanding my efforts, the stark reality is, I will always be judged in accordance with the prevailing perception of my race. If anything, I will be considered the exception, rather than the norm; when the reality is, I am neither.

In reality, Black Americans are as diverse as any other race/ethnicity. We are not all good, and we are not all bad. We are not all educated, and we are not all ignorant. Sadly, we are all judged by the actions of a few. One has only to visit Politics and Other Controversies here at City Data to experience the rabid perpetuation of black stereotypes. Since joining City Data, there has not been one single day without an open “Black” thread, of which the vast majority are posted by latent racists to deprecate Black America……. “Why Can’t Black People _______?” (fill in the blank). Yet, many of the posters who have absolutely no problem with denigrating blacks will condemn a negative post pertaining to illegal immigration as being “racist.”

Supporters of illegal aliens who refuse to differentiate between legal Hispanics and illegal aliens, are unwittingly creating a negative perception in the minds of many non-Hispanic Americans; which is precisely the impetus for the prevalence of equating “Hispanic” with “illegal.” Frequently posters will pose the question: “How do you know they’re illegal?” The answer of course is……you don’t. Likewise, barring an explicit indication, it is impossible to distinguish between a decent black man walking down the street, and one who is intent on robbing you. It’s all a matter of perception.

In their attempt to subjugate the illegal immigration issue, advocates for illegal immigration are in fact pouring the foundation for a negative stereotype which will not be easily abated. IMO, they owe legal Hispanics an apology.

I’m glad this story was posted. Not as an indictment of Mexicans or Hispanics in general. Rather, to underscore the inherent damage created by the deliberate juxtaposing of legal with illegal. When no distinction is made between right and wrong, or good and bad, all are viewed as one.

Sorry for the lengthy post.
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Old 07-11-2008, 10:39 AM
Status: "Make America the Great Joke Again" (set 22 days ago)
 
Location: Denver
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Originally Posted by JDubsMom View Post
First of all who is US, besides yourself and the one or two other regular trolls who perpetually defend the indefensible in this thread?

"US" would deny Elvira Arellano and thousands of other illegal alien breeders PRIMARILY FROM MEXICO aren't breeding at the speed of sound for the purpose of pimping their children as a source of income, benefits, future chain migration and a sob story/shield against deportation.

That being said, we are both aware that for decades the duplicity of corporate America, the US government and the MSM have been more than instrumental in preventing the stories, and true statistics of the abundance of criminal activities perpetrated against Americans at the hands of illegal aliens. For that reason alone, no matter what statistical data I post, it will be disputed because it is varied depending upon the source and the inception of documentation.

Again, I can post stories and websites that have names, dates and the crimes perpetrated against Americans (an abundance of stories of rapes, and sex with minors) all day long and after I did that, you and your IA hugging buddies will call me a racist, liar, etc., because you have no legitimate defense to prove otherwise.

So you have nothing to corroborate your claims. You see on a forum you need to backup what you say otherwise it is BS.
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Old 07-11-2008, 10:40 AM
 
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If a girl gets pregnant as an underaged teen, it's rape.
In the US its statutory rape.
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