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Old 07-11-2008, 01:52 PM
 
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Immigration lawyers representing the El Paso-area asylum-seekers say they have never seen such a flood of people seeking a haven from violence in Mexico. Up until recently, most asylum requests in this sector were made by people who said they were being persecuted by Mexico's ruling party because of their political activities.

FresnoBee.com: National Wire: More seeking asylum on U.S.-Mexico border (broken link)
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Old 07-11-2008, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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This is frightening. Things are really getting bad, and if our government doesnít secure our border, we can expect this type of violence to occur in our country. Perhaps thatís what it will take to actually close the border.
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Old 07-11-2008, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Mexifornia (for now)
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Does anyone have any updated information about Bush's 2006 "plan" to build border fences between US & Mexico? Is it still being built?

With the spike in violence south of the border I'm hoping that there's at least some progress.
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Old 07-11-2008, 02:12 PM
 
Location: California
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Immigration lawyers representing the El Paso-area asylum-seekers say they have never seen such a flood of people seeking a haven from violence in Mexico. Up until recently, most asylum requests in this sector were made by people who said they were being persecuted by Mexico's ruling party because of their political activities.

FresnoBee.com: National Wire: More seeking asylum on U.S.-Mexico border (broken link)
63 people, hardly a flood.


But changes do have to be made in Mexico to take out the cartels, or at least put more pressure on them. Its hard being a journalist or law enforcement official out there.

Thats why in Mexico, you see guards with machine guns in front of the newspaper office buildings. Used to trip me out as a kid.
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Old 07-11-2008, 02:17 PM
 
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This is frightening. Things are really getting bad, and if our government doesn’t secure our border, we can expect this type of violence to occur in our country. Perhaps that’s what it will take to actually close the border.
It has already spilled over into the US and occurring in many of the border states. They have really beefed up the recruitment of border patrol agents, but after what has happened to Ramos & Compean and a couple of other former BP, not too many Americans are interested . . . hmm . . I wonder why

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In addition to drug trafficking, cartels have been tied to illegal alien, terrorist, arms smuggling and those proceeds are subsequently laundered through seemingly legitimate local businesses.
The cartels through the criminal gangs who work for them have been involved in kidnappings and military style training camps, some reported to be along the border with the U.S.
FBI Director Robert Mueller described U.S. based-gangs as “more organized, more violent, and more widespread than ever.”
The Department of Justice estimates there are approximately 30,000 gangs with more than 800,000 members in the U.S. Mueller believes these violent gangs pose a growing threat to the safety and security of Americans.
20080505855 | The Mexican Drug Cartels Update May 2008 | / | Border & Sovereignty (http://www.rightsidenews.com/20080505855/border-and-sovereignty/the-mexican-drug-cartels-update-may-2008.html - broken link)
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Old 07-11-2008, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Immigration lawyers representing the El Paso-area asylum-seekers say they have never seen such a flood of people seeking a haven from violence in Mexico. Up until recently, most asylum requests in this sector were made by people who said they were being persecuted by Mexico's ruling party because of their political activities.

FresnoBee.com: National Wire: More seeking asylum on U.S.-Mexico border (broken link)
Classic example of political refugees-----------even our Mach50 touched on that for understandable reasons.
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Old 07-11-2008, 04:09 PM
 
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Classic example of political refugees-----------even our Mach50 touched on that for understandable reasons.
Well, we can't take in the entire population of Mexico. The oligarchies need to step it up and help their fellow countrymen/women.

Once the economic situation here becomes unbearable for the illegal aliens and they leave in masses, we need to slam the door; build a 15 foot brick wall, and have a military presence around the entire perimeter of our border. It's bad enough we have 20 million of their poverty stricken citizens, we don't need to take on anymore of Mexico's problems.
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Old 07-11-2008, 05:32 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Well, we can't take in the entire population of Mexico. The oligarchies need to step it up and help their fellow countrymen/women.

Once the economic situation here becomes unbearable for the illegal aliens and they leave in masses, we need to slam the door; build a 15 foot brick wall, and have a military presence around the entire perimeter of our border. It's bad enough we have 20 million of their poverty stricken citizens, we don't need to take on anymore of Mexico's problems.
I was referring to Mexico's political refugees........not the ones crossing our borders (illegally) to make more $$$. The latter do need to be deported-----no questions asked.

Last edited by ArizonaBear; 07-11-2008 at 05:54 PM.. Reason: Deleted a word which was misleading
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Old 07-11-2008, 05:47 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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Default Isn't it funny?

I find it rather funny how suddenly stories of asylum-seeking and violence in Mexico have begun to increase as the call for deportation of illegals strengthens. We are being toyed with to see if we will support the real result that corporate America wants. And what they want is obvious, a cheap labor force. It is the classic problem/solution scenario. The problem being presented is the violence and persecution of the Mexican people. Solution, grant all new immigrants amnesty and all current residents immunity from prosecution. Well, if those kind of activities are so rampant then why are we on such good terms with them. We vilify and insult nations half way around the world for such activities, but we don't mind it when its right next door? They want us to buckle and give in on the immigration issue, and they are going to try to use our good ole American instincts against us. Because, for the most part we don't like to see people being unduly persecuted and badly treated. We are much more likely to come to a person's aid if they are in this kind of position. Don't buy the propaganda. You only have to look at the patterns of events through out history to see this game in action. It is an old one, but a good one.
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Old 07-11-2008, 07:54 PM
 
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I find it rather funny how suddenly stories of asylum-seeking and violence in Mexico have begun to increase as the call for deportation of illegals strengthens. We are being toyed with to see if we will support the real result that corporate America wants. And what they want is obvious, a cheap labor force. It is the classic problem/solution scenario. The problem being presented is the violence and persecution of the Mexican people. Solution, grant all new immigrants amnesty and all current residents immunity from prosecution. Well, if those kind of activities are so rampant then why are we on such good terms with them. We vilify and insult nations half way around the world for such activities, but we don't mind it when its right next door? They want us to buckle and give in on the immigration issue, and they are going to try to use our good ole American instincts against us. Because, for the most part we don't like to see people being unduly persecuted and badly treated. We are much more likely to come to a person's aid if they are in this kind of position. Don't buy the propaganda. You only have to look at the patterns of events through out history to see this game in action. It is an old one, but a good one.

Excellent observation and analogy, wish I could rep you. That never entered my mind but you may definitely be on to something.
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