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Old 07-14-2008, 04:00 PM
 
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I've felt and I've had differences with my wife about it - that Latinos are being pampered," says Ramirez. "We're being catered to. We're being made more and more dependent because there's always a service for everything that we need.

"Not just Latinos, but in general, the government has spent too much money on services that turn people into being more dependent. There's no reason to fight for anything if you're getting what you need."

Pacoima and the surrounding Northeast Valley are growing evidence of how Central American and Mexican immigrants are increasingly forming linguistic, cultural, economic and sometimes even political enclaves outside the traditional American mainstream.

For many immigrants in the Valley, life continues as it did in their native countries - LA Daily News



This article pretty much sums up why we need to end illegal immigration immediately
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Old 07-14-2008, 04:11 PM
 
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Next we gotta clean up those nasty chinatowns. How will they ever assimilate!

Like pointed out in the article, there were lots of chinatowns and little italy's across this country. Yet SOMEHOW people assimilated.

The reason so much Spanish is spoken is because the newest batch of immigrants, there are a lot of new Latinos in this country. Their kids will grow up speaking English.

That guys sits there talking English in a Latino restaurants, and he's scared he's the only one who will be able to speak the language?
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Old 07-14-2008, 04:29 PM
 
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Chinatown? Little Italys? Point to me a time when both the local and federal governments printed everything and I do mean everything in Chinese or Italian? They didn't. Those immigrants had to learn English. Those immigrants didn't have a social net to catch them if they failed, whether they were here legally or not. And finally those immigrants actually wanted to assimiliate and suceed in America --- not be top dog in their barrio.
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Old 07-14-2008, 04:45 PM
 
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Their kids will grow up speaking English.
And writing it, as evidenced by many a wall or building side.
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Old 07-14-2008, 05:16 PM
 
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Chinatown? Little Italys? Point to me a time when both the local and federal governments printed everything and I do mean everything in Chinese or Italian? They didn't. Those immigrants had to learn English. Those immigrants didn't have a social net to catch them if they failed, whether they were here legally or not. And finally those immigrants actually wanted to assimiliate and suceed in America --- not be top dog in their barrio.
The article speaks about how Latino neighborhoods are a sort of refuge for the newly immigrated. A place where their culture is very prevalent, making for an easy transition to life in a new country. Just like Chinatowns are and Little Italy's were.
And the government offers translations for lots of languages besides Spanish. mandarin, korean, tagalog, russian, etc etc. Go to any DMV in LA County.

"Top dog in their barrio"? Are you serious?
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Old 07-14-2008, 05:17 PM
 
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And writing it, as evidenced by many a wall or building side.
Racial stereotype aside, I'm glad youre backing up my claim. You even claim "evidence".
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Old 07-14-2008, 05:19 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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The article speaks about how Latino neighborhoods are a sort of refuge for the newly immigrated. A place where their culture is very prevalent, making for an easy transition to life in a new country. Just like Chinatowns are and Little Italy's were.
And the government offers translations for lots of languages besides Spanish. mandarin, korean, tagalog, russian, etc etc.
In Arizona - let the MCSO drive through certain areas - or approach certain employers - and boy do people scatter.

They are then detained - turned over to ICE - and deported within days -

And, this is happening all over the State of Arizona - when Illegals say they are feeling ... "uncomfortable" or "unwelcomed".

Well DUH!!!!
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Old 07-14-2008, 05:23 PM
 
Location: California
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In Arizona - let the MCSO drive through certain areas - or approach certain employers - and boy do people scatter.

They are then detained - turned over to ICE - and deported within days -

And, this is happening all over the State of Arizona - when Illegals say they are feeling ... "uncomfortable" or "unwelcomed".

Well DUH!!!!
Why did you quote my post? How does your post relate to mine?
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Old 07-14-2008, 05:24 PM
 
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The article speaks about how Latino neighborhoods are a sort of refuge for the newly immigrated. A place where their culture is very prevalent, making for an easy transition to life in a new country. Just like Chinatowns are and Little Italy's were.
And the government offers translations for lots of languages besides Spanish. mandarin, korean, tagalog, russian, etc etc. Go to any DMV in LA County.

"Top dog in their barrio"? Are you serious?
Yes, I am serious. When the Chinese and Italians were immigrating in waves, there was no special services for them. They worked hard, studied harder and pushed their children to get out of the ethnic enclaves that they themselves found refuge in.
There was none of this -- it takes three generations to become fluent crap. They did it one and oftentimes less. They wanted to become Americans not for the benefits they could receive but for the freedoms it represented. Yes, they celebrated Lunar New Year and Santa Lucia festivals.....but their new country was their country, and it had their whole allegiance.
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Old 07-14-2008, 06:00 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth/Dallas
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Mr. Ramirez is the kind of person that we need more of in this country. He reminds me of my neighbors across the street, an asset to the community.
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