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Old 07-16-2008, 10:04 AM
Status: "Make America the Great Joke Again" (set 22 days ago)
 
Location: Denver
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Old 07-16-2008, 11:31 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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The trump card against any such argument is that we (the USA) is heading into a severe recession that may rival the Great Depression as of 1938-------and, by that date we had already left the nadir of 1929-33 behind.
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Old 07-16-2008, 11:33 AM
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The trump card against any such argument is that we (the USA) is heading into a severe recession that may rival the Great Depression as of 1938-------and, by that date we had already left the nadir of 1929-33 behind.
The rebuttal to that, is if we would have allowed Free Enterprise to play out, wages would have come down and United States would have kept their industry. Instead our industry has left leaving United States as a consumer with no real product, a "Virtual Economy" so to speak.

When a Virtual Economy fails, with no product, we go into a recession until wages and costs fall anyways.
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Old 07-16-2008, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Your putting the cart before the horse, Mach50. Industry left in the name of Globalism and Profit, a fairly recent trend in American Industry. We had almost a century of prosperity by being nationalistic, and now we have a falling standard of living from our 'global' experience.

Your whole premise is that industry left for lower wages, when the fact is they left for the LOWEST wage. Patriotism and love of country kept our industry here AND paid the best wages in the world. Greed and corporatism have DESTROYED that.
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Old 07-16-2008, 11:45 AM
Status: "Make America the Great Joke Again" (set 22 days ago)
 
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Guy are you aware of Cost-Push Economy? This is something dreamt up a long time ago by American bankers. They thought if you constantly raised prices, wages would always go up.

Economists scrutinized that concept by saying "1 day America will have to compete with 3rd world countries for labor". That day has come and instead of the US realizing it and allowing wages to come down by allowing lower cost labor, globalization has taken that industry to other lands.

The only reason your standard of living is so high, is because it has been "Virtualized" via Cost-Push and now it is being standardized.

http://www.bized.co.uk/virtual/econo...rary/glossary/
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Old 07-16-2008, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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The rebuttal to that, is if we would have allowed Free Enterprise to play out, wages would have come down and United States would have kept their industry. Instead our industry has left leaving United States as a consumer with no real product, a "Virtual Economy" so to speak.

When a Virtual Economy fails, with no product, we go into a recession until wages and costs fall anyways.
Then please explain why my wages per hour have fallen in the last 15 years factoring in inflation?

And; I am in a field that does not lend itself well to outsourcing-------repair of motor vehicles.
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Old 07-16-2008, 11:53 AM
Status: "Make America the Great Joke Again" (set 22 days ago)
 
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Then please explain why my wages per hour have fallen in the last 15 years factoring in inflation?

And; I am in a field that does not lend itself well to outsourcing-------repair of motor vehicles.
Many factors AzBear can change that, cars being better built and needing less work, flood of workers, easier to work on possibly?
That is a specific field question that I cannot answer.

Regardless, some jobs will be obsolete in the United States soon because we failed to grasp a true Free Enterprise. If you don't allow cheap labor to come, you will lose your jobs to other countries (China, Mexico) that do.
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Old 07-16-2008, 11:58 AM
 
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The rebuttal to that, is if we would have allowed Free Enterprise to play out, wages would have come down and United States would have kept their industry. Instead our industry has left leaving United States as a consumer with no real product, a "Virtual Economy" so to speak.

When a Virtual Economy fails, with no product, we go into a recession until wages and costs fall anyways.
Having open borders and allowing in millions of overwhelmingly unskilled, poorly educated immigrants supports this how?
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Old 07-16-2008, 12:02 PM
Status: "Make America the Great Joke Again" (set 22 days ago)
 
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Having open borders and allowing in millions of overwhelmingly unskilled, poorly educated immigrants supports this how?
By allowing people in that work for less, the companies would have stayed in America (or have better chance to) instead of leaving for other countries.

What the book states is: "don't call them illegal, make them legal" don't build the wall, let us work together so we can both profit.
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Old 07-16-2008, 12:49 PM
 
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I'll listen to those who advocate having a prosperous nation with open borders, as soon as I hear of a bank with open vaults....or a supermarket which operates on the 'honor system'....or a country club with open membership...or a doctor whose fees are 'whatever's fair'.....or when the maintenance crew dismantles the fence around the White House.
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