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Old 07-16-2008, 08:37 PM
 
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This is where you are really mistaken: Arpaio is going after Illegal Immigrants. He has detained people from Belerus, Thailand, Iran, Syria, Mexico, Argentina, Chili, Venezula, Haiti and so on -

Illegals are Illegals -
Give me a break.

He specifically targets areas where historically Mexicans live in town (for racist reasons often), pulls over anyone driving through the area with a broken tail light and then harasses anyone who looks brown or speaks Spanish whether they are here in this country legally.
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Old 07-16-2008, 08:39 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Give me a break.
Nope - I will not "give you a break". He has gone into areas known to be friendly to illegals - and the groups I identified are inclusive of the illegals that have been detained
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Old 07-16-2008, 08:41 PM
 
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No...he is not the only law enforcement in town but he is head-over-heels above the rest in this absolute obsession with going after Mexicans. It gives the impression of racism and the fact that he is so popular in AZ...well that gives the impression that a significant portion of the state is racist. Arizona does have a rather nasty history after all; MLK Day anyone?

Joe also uses his office to attack anyone who criticizes his tactics. Again, he tries to portray this redneck cowboy imagine but if someone actually starts to question his tactics or investigate his methods he plays the victim and he goes after them...often by arresting them or leaking some bogus investigation to the press. Those are the same tactics used in Putin's Russia.
I agree with you that there is an obsession that is targeted towards the Mexican legal/illegal group here in Arizona, but not all of us feel the same as the rest and there are many groups looking out for the "Illegals".
It does feel like MLK day, the only difference is the race when you get right down to it.
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Old 07-16-2008, 08:43 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Give me a break.

He specifically targets areas where historically Mexicans live in town (for racist reasons often), pulls over anyone driving through the area with a broken tail light and then harasses anyone who looks brown or speaks Spanish whether they are here in this country legally.
There is no 'Mexican' race.........besides: if you are going to use the 'brown card-------many American Indians (of which many Mexicans are as well) want the illegals gone as well.

My next door neighbors; who are Navajo are rather 'racist' against Latinos-----which is weird being that the former are quite similar genetically to Yaquis, Aztecs, Mayans, etc. which are the non 'White' side of many Latinos.
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Old 07-16-2008, 08:57 PM
 
Location: California
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There is no 'Mexican' race.........besides: if you are going to use the 'brown card-------many American Indians (of which many Mexicans are as well) want the illegals gone as well.

My next door neighbors; who are Navajo are rather 'racist' against Latinos-----which is weird being that the former are quite similar genetically to Yaquis, Aztecs, Mayans, etc. which are the non 'White' side of many Latinos.
There is a Mexican race, in fact theres a few. But the majority of Mexicans are a mix of two. We're not in some kind of racial limbo, Azbear. We are humans, you know.

You have a hardcore agenda to disprove the Latino voice as a minority voice. Like its scary how determined you are to do that.
Did you just find out recently that some Mexicans are fully white, and it blew your mind so much that you want to shout it from a rooftop?
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Old 07-16-2008, 09:21 PM
 
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Nope - I will not "give you a break". He has gone into areas known to be friendly to illegals - and the groups I identified are inclusive of the illegals that have been detained
I made the statement because your claim that he going out getting Swedes or something like that is just stupid. He is targeting Mexicans, pure and simple. He is going to neighborhoods where Latinos and Hispanics predominate and pulling over people as a pretext to hassle them about their immigration status. If a white guy was pulled over, they wouldn't be asked about their green card. But if you have brown skin you get pestered about whether you are here illegally. That is racial profiling, pure and simple. No way around it.
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Old 07-16-2008, 09:21 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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There is a Mexican race, in fact theres a few. But the majority of Mexicans are a mix of two. We're not in some kind of racial limbo, Azbear. We are humans, you know.

You have a hardcore agenda to disprove the Latino voice as a minority voice. Like its scary how determined you are to do that.
Did you just find out recently that some Mexicans are fully white, and it blew your mind so much that you want to shout it from a rooftop?
I am tired of hearing about how bad the putative Latinos are treated here in the USA compared to Mexico.

Hispanic culture is White supremacist (a glance at a telenovela strongly infers that)-------I would have more respect for the Mestizos, etc. if they did not bite the hand that feeds them (Gringo USA society) vs. the hand that slaps them (an archaic Spanish based culture).

Hell: today's Spain ain't very 'Hispanic' by New World standards------the former country is becoming more and more like Scandinavia in cultural mores.
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Old 07-16-2008, 09:22 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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I made the statement because your claim that he going out getting Swedes or something like that is just stupid. He is targeting Mexicans, pure and simple. He is going to neighborhoods where Latinos and Hispanics predominate and pulling over people as a pretext to hassle them about their immigration status. If a white guy was pulled over, they wouldn't be asked about their green card. But if you have brown skin you get pestered about whether you are here illegally. That is racial profiling, pure and simple. No way around it.
Some of us Anglo Whites have brown skin as well.
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Old 07-16-2008, 09:24 PM
 
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I agree with you that there is an obsession that is targeted towards the Mexican legal/illegal group here in Arizona, but not all of us feel the same as the rest and there are many groups looking out for the "Illegals".
It does feel like MLK day, the only difference is the race when you get right down to it.
I made the statement about MLK Day because about 15 years ago Arizona refused to support a holiday honoring Martin Luther King. The governor back then was at the very least racially insensitive in his objection to the holiday; he was later impeached from office for corruption btw.

Arizona has a history of racism and apparently, corruption and mismanagement.
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Old 07-16-2008, 09:25 PM
 
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Some of us Anglo Whites have brown skin as well.
Better have your birth certificate handy then.
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