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Old 07-21-2008, 05:55 PM
 
Location: California
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Cesar Chavez himself was very anti illegal. The illegals hurt his causes with the Union. Look it up...

now with that said, MLK or Chavez would not have wanted to see anyone killed. Illegal or not...
Its true, but he didn't hate illegals. He was against the illegals helping the employers by working allowing the employers the undermine the union's strike.

He or MLK, like you said, would never support violence. They looked up to people like Ghandi. I don't think MLK should be used to support hate or violence.
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Old 07-21-2008, 05:55 PM
 
Location: part of the Matrix--for now!
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You're kidding right? First and foremost I am many things but xenophobic is not one of them. Am I a patriotic American? Yep. Did I march with Dr. King as a small child? Yep. Dr. King would not condone the actions of illegal aliens and their supporters who scream racism for no other reason except to silence White Americans.

Please don't pretend that you know me simply because you've read a post of two.
MLK was a Democratic Socialist. Do you know what that is? Have you even heard of it? I'm thinking that you do not. If you understood what a Democratic Socialist is, then you would know why MLK would have nothing to do whatsoever with anything even remotely resembling anti "illegal immigrant" sentiment. Have you ever read King's speech at riverside church? If you did then you would know why he would never have anything to do whatsoever with anti "illegal immigrant sentiment. Have you ever heard of the Poor Peoples March on Washington? If you know what that was all about, then you would know that MLK would never have anything whatsoever to do with any anti "illegal immigrant" sentiments.

You may have marched with MLK, but you've shown that you understand nothing at all about what he stood for. I suggest that you do some research, before I have to embarrass you even more. You seem to be very long on opinion, but very short on knowledge.

And yes, you are xenophobic.
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Old 07-21-2008, 06:04 PM
 
Location: Surprise, Az
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She said she marched with MLK as a child..meaning the decision was not hers...

Many children were at woodstock...many are proud of being there but they do not share the same value system as their parents. Not saying this is the case with JDubsmom...just saying this is more often the case then not.
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Old 07-21-2008, 06:41 PM
 
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MLK was a Democratic Socialist. Do you know what that is? Have you even heard of it? I'm thinking that you do not. If you understood what a Democratic Socialist is, then you would know why MLK would have nothing to do whatsoever with anything even remotely resembling anti "illegal immigrant" sentiment. Have you ever read King's speech at riverside church? If you did then you would know why he would never have anything to do whatsoever with anti "illegal immigrant sentiment. Have you ever heard of the Poor Peoples March on Washington? If you know what that was all about, then you would know that MLK would never have anything whatsoever to do with any anti "illegal immigrant" sentiments.

You may have marched with MLK, but you've shown that you understand nothing at all about what he stood for. I suggest that you do some research, before I have to embarrass you even more. You seem to be very long on opinion, but very short on knowledge.

And yes, you are xenophobic.
Please . . . you really need to quit. I am an Black woman who not only knows the history of America, the enslavement of my people, but that of Dr. King, his beliefs and his speeches. Stop with the ridiculous, do you know this, that and the other as if you are a contestant on some game show. This is a message board and I doubt that I would be permitted to list everything I know about Dr. King, or the civil rights movement. Besides, unlike you I have better things to do with my time besides pretending I'm the captain of your debate team.. I'm not here to recite everything I've learned in my lifetime in order to appease your false sense of intellect.

At the end of the day in addition to all that I do know about Dr. King, I also know this:

If Dr. King were alive to today, I would bet you a green card that he would be appalled at how your ilk have high jacked his CAUSE OF CIVIL RIGHTS FOR BLACKS, as well as Janet Murguia's desecretion of OUR movement in the name of perpetually criminal, lazy, cowardly Mexican ILLEGAL ALIENS.

As for me being xenophobic . . . I'll stoop to your level of comprehension for a moment: Grow up, your childish insults don't move me not even the slightest bit. An opinion is just like a butt hole everybody has one, your opinion of me and what you would like to think I don't know, on the other hand is about as important as one.

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Old 07-21-2008, 06:45 PM
 
Location: California
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Please . . . you really need to quit. I am an Black woman who not only knows the history of slavery but that of Dr. King. Stop with the ridiculous, do you know this, that and the other.

I also know this:

If Dr. King were alive to today, I would bet you a green card that he would be appalled at how your ilk have high jacked his CAUSE OF CIVIL RIGHTS FOR BLACKS, as well as Janet Murguia's descretion of OUR movement in the name of pertually criminal, lazy, cowardly Mexican ILLEGAL ALIENS.

As for me being xenophobic . . . I'll stoop to your level of comprehension for a moment: Ever hear the saying sticks and stones? It applies to you. Grow up, your childish insults don't move me not even the slightest bit.
I think he'd be happy to see how far Black people have come in this country.
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Old 07-21-2008, 06:59 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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I think he'd be happy to see how far Black people have come in this country.
Blacks have made tremendous strides there------especially in the last 10 years. They as a group have bucked up and taken responsibility for themselves instead of blaming Honky and 'da man' for all of their problems.

Yes; I am well aware of the 'gangsta' type, just that they receive the free publicity-------not the 'up town' Black folks.
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Old 07-21-2008, 07:01 PM
 
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Please . . . you really need to quit. I am an Black woman who not only knows the history of America, the enslavement of my people, but that of Dr. King, his beliefs and his speeches. Stop with the ridiculous, do you know this, that and the other as if you are a contestant on some game show. This is a message board and I doubt that I would be permitted to list everything I know about Dr. King, or the civil rights movement. Besides, unlike you I have better things to do with my time besides pretending I'm the captain of your debate team.. I'm not here to recite everything I've learned in my lifetime in order to appease your false sense of intellect.
In other words, you don't know what the Poor Peoples march on Washington was about, you've never read King's speech at Riverside Church and you don't know what a Democratic Socialist is. In short you don't really understand what MLK and the Civil Rights Movement was all about. So therefore, on this issue, you have zero credibility.
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Old 07-21-2008, 07:18 PM
 
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I think he'd be happy to see how far Black people have come in this country.
No, he wouldn't. Why? Because black people haven't come that far at all. Don't believe me? Just look at the crime statistics, educational inequalities, healthcare inequalities and unemployment statistics. What Dr. King would realize is that structurally and systematically, blacks are still alienated from mainstream society. And that's what the civil Rights movement was all about; bringing about structural and systematic changes to American society so as to bring the masses of the disadvantaged and alienated into mainstream society.

Here's something to consider: blackagendareport.com - Freedom Rider: Black America Left Behind
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Old 07-21-2008, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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No, he wouldn't. Why? Because black people haven't come that far at all. Don't believe me? Just look at the crime statistics, educational inequalities, healthcare inequalities and unemployment statistics. What Dr. King would realize is that structurally and systematically, blacks are still alienated from mainstream society. And that's what the civil Rights movement was all about; bringing about structural and systematic changes to American society so as to bring the masses of the disadvantaged and alienated into mainstream society.
How did the subject digress to Dr. King and the state of Black America? Furthermore, Dr. King is not here to state his position either pro or con; and none of us can unequivocally speak on his behalf.

I don’t profess to be an authority on Dr. King. However, I seriously doubt that he would condone identity theft and document fraud. Are you suggesting Dr. King would endorse this criminal behavior?

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Old 07-21-2008, 07:44 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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How did the subject digress to Dr. King and the state of Black America? Furthermore, Dr. King is not here to state is position either pro or con; and none of us can unequivocally speak on his behalf.

I donít profess to be an authority on Dr. King. However, I seriously doubt that he would condone identity theft and document fraud. Are you suggesting Dr. King would endorse this criminal behavior?
Consider the source: just another example of the growing desperation of the pro illegal crowd------they are now trying feints vs. 'frontal assaults' (both metaphors here) to get their way.

US Americans are waking up to both the illegal immigrant menace as well as their pathetic attempts to use the 'race card'.
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