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Old 07-19-2008, 09:49 AM
 
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In my opinion, two of the main problems when dealing with the issue of illegal immigration are: 1) politicians not wanting to promote policies that would seriously deter illegal immigration because they don't want to be called anti-hispanic and racist; and 2) persons who lump in all hispanics into the illegal immigrant camp.

Many times I see politicians refuse or back away from sensible positions because they are petrified of being branded with the racist or bigoted label. There's clearly nothing wrong with wanting to end illegal immigration through means other than a blanket amnesty. As I've said on other threads, there's definitely ways to limit or end the economic benefits to those who enter this country illegally. Unfortunately, when the issue of illegal immigration boils over, hispanics born in this country or those who are here legally sometimes become the victim of deragotory and abusive taunts. That type of behavior adds nothing beneficial to the debate.
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Old 07-19-2008, 09:53 AM
 
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ITA manny1031, our spineless politicians can tote most of the blame, and IMHO the race-based hucksters who are promoting this invasion can tote the rest.
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Old 07-19-2008, 10:15 AM
 
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In my opinion, two of the main problems when dealing with the issue of illegal immigration are: 1) politicians not wanting to promote policies that would seriously deter illegal immigration because they don't want to be called anti-hispanic and racist; and 2) persons who lump in all hispanics into the illegal immigrant camp.

Many times I see politicians refuse or back away from sensible positions because they are petrified of being branded with the racist or bigoted label. There's clearly nothing wrong with wanting to end illegal immigration through means other than a blanket amnesty. As I've said on other threads, there's definitely ways to limit or end the economic benefits to those who enter this country illegally. Unfortunately, when the issue of illegal immigration boils over, hispanics born in this country or those who are here legally sometimes become the victim of deragotory and abusive taunts. That type of behavior adds nothing beneficial to the debate.
And the so-called "immigrant" advocates are the primary contributors to the perpetuation of the Hispanic = Illegal stereotype.
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Old 07-19-2008, 10:22 AM
 
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In my opinion, two of the main problems when dealing with the issue of illegal immigration are: 1) politicians not wanting to promote policies that would seriously deter illegal immigration because they don't want to be called anti-hispanic and racist; and 2) persons who lump in all hispanics into the illegal immigrant camp.

Many times I see politicians refuse or back away from sensible positions because they are petrified of being branded with the racist or bigoted label. There's clearly nothing wrong with wanting to end illegal immigration through means other than a blanket amnesty. As I've said on other threads, there's definitely ways to limit or end the economic benefits to those who enter this country illegally. Unfortunately, when the issue of illegal immigration boils over, hispanics born in this country or those who are here legally sometimes become the victim of deragotory and abusive taunts. That type of behavior adds nothing beneficial to the debate.
Good post...good points...and a good illustration of the point more than ONE great thinker hasw come out with in the past decade or so...words to t5he effect that

"Not only is Political Correctness annoying, dishonest, and silly..and not only does it 'fool nobody'....but more than THAT, Political Correctness, if allowed to go on unchecked and unchallenged, will some day ende up KILLING US"

Whether this is applied to the illegal immigration which we "can't" address, or terrorist threats which we "can't" acknowledge, the message is clear..if we can't even DISCUSS a problem, there's little chance of ever solving it..
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Old 07-19-2008, 11:12 AM
 
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I think it's like why Obama has backed away from reforming NAFTA, and that's that the policians in this country fear the big global corporations' wrath.

We no longer have a government by the people, for the people, of the people. Our government has been taken over by big internationalist corporations, the politicians have become mere puppets for them.

Uncontrolled and massive immigration is really for the purpose of big profits through ultra-cheap labor that benefits a very few. It's cheaper to bring in a desperate illegal who is willing to sleep on the floor of a slum dwelling than to train workers or especially train jobless youth.

Like everything else, follow the money. The big mouth proponents of massive and uncontrolled illegal immigration are really just tools of the powerful who are getting rich from the lowering of wages. They are being given much media time in order to subdue Americans into shutting up.
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Old 07-19-2008, 01:31 PM
 
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In my opinion, two of the main problems when dealing with the issue of illegal immigration are: 1) politicians not wanting to promote policies that would seriously deter illegal immigration because they don't want to be called anti-hispanic and racist; and 2) persons who lump in all hispanics into the illegal immigrant camp.

Many times I see politicians refuse or back away from sensible positions because they are petrified of being branded with the racist or bigoted label. There's clearly nothing wrong with wanting to end illegal immigration through means other than a blanket amnesty. As I've said on other threads, there's definitely ways to limit or end the economic benefits to those who enter this country illegally. Unfortunately, when the issue of illegal immigration boils over, hispanics born in this country or those who are here legally sometimes become the victim of deragotory and abusive taunts. That type of behavior adds nothing beneficial to the debate.
Exactly my point in another thread. Go after the root causes!
http://www.nelp.org/docUploads/FromAnti-ImmigranttoPro-workerFinal.pdf (broken link)

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What’s the real problem? Scofflaw employers who fail to offer workers a decent wage and a safe place to work, and an enforcement regime that takes a “see no evil” approach to labor law violations. Weak enforcement affects all workplaces where both U.S. citizens and immigrant workers labor side by side.
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What’s the real solution? Real labor standards, coupled with vigorous enforcement of those rules – a new kind of “employer sanction” against low-road employers who abuse all workers.

Last edited by HoustonCynic; 07-19-2008 at 01:34 PM.. Reason: fixing link
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Old 07-20-2008, 02:29 PM
 
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And the so-called "immigrant" advocates are the primary contributors to the perpetuation of the Hispanic = Illegal stereotype.
The advocates are not going anywhere, if anything they are growing by leaps and bounds and the Anti illegals can thank thenselves for that.
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