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Old 09-07-2009, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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The US is not the world's flophouse. Our legal immigration does need an overhaul, we should allow in only people who have something to offer the US and will not be a burden on society. I am confident the Australians would be willing to advise us on how to set up just such a system. The US has historically done very well during times of limited immigration during the 20th century so there is no innate need to have millions of uneducated, unskilled Third World denizens continually washing up on our shores.
As you stated.

It is past time to really restrict even legal immigration let alone come down really hard on illegals along with their enablers.

Frankly; we (the USA) needs to revert to the pre 1965 immigration rules-----------multiculturalists be damned.
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Old 09-07-2009, 03:03 PM
 
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<<They most likely register with Individual Tax Identification Numbers specifically created for non-citizens/foreigners who donít have SS#s but file taxes in the US.>>

Those numbers are for the sole purpose of filing taxes. They weren't meant to replace SS numbers for any other reason, so if they're being used to register for college, that's a fraudulent use of the numbers.
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Old 09-07-2009, 08:56 PM
 
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The US is not the world's flophouse. Our legal immigration does need an overhaul, we should allow in only people who have something to offer the US and will not be a burden on society. I am confident the Australians would be willing to advise us on how to set up just such a system. The US has historically done very well during times of limited immigration during the 20th century so there is no innate need to have millions of uneducated, unskilled Third World denizens continually washing up on our shores.
Did I mention flophouse? No. We should serve as a model and effectively use our resources to think more long term, and less in the mindset of the 19th and 20th century of Western idealism.

Of course, it seems, that you may not understand what I mean.

Limited immigration of the 20th century done well? Yeah the Great Depression was a roaring time in our nation's history.

Why do you refer to Australia? There was the "White Australia" policy? Should we also institute that?

The fact of the matter is that social reform here can, and has, changed the world.
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Old 09-07-2009, 08:57 PM
 
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As you stated.

It is past time to really restrict even legal immigration let alone come down really hard on illegals along with their enablers.

Frankly; we (the USA) needs to revert to the pre 1965 immigration rules-----------multiculturalists be damned.
So we should restrict immigration and face what Japan is currently facing with an aging population? No, that's poor public policy.
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Old 09-07-2009, 08:58 PM
 
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Who are all these people who have achieved great things in their lives and what great things have they achieved? The Unabomber graduated from Harvard at age 20, earned a PhD and was teaching at Berkeley at age 25. Most would agree that these are great achievements, but he is still a criminal.
So illegal immigrants are sociopaths? That's a new one...
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Old 09-07-2009, 09:31 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Did I mention flophouse? No. We should serve as a model and effectively use our resources to think more long term, and less in the mindset of the 19th and 20th century of Western idealism.

Of course, it seems, that you may not understand what I mean.

Limited immigration of the 20th century done well? Yeah the Great Depression was a roaring time in our nation's history.

Why do you refer to Australia? There was the "White Australia" policy? Should we also institute that?

The fact of the matter is that social reform here can, and has, changed the world.
Suffice to say: we (the USA) would be better off by 'cherry picking' potential immigrants (of any ancestral race/ethnicity).............especially being that there is a long line of the above wishing to come here legally.
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Old 09-07-2009, 09:32 PM
 
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Did I mention flophouse? No. We should serve as a model and effectively use our resources to think more long term, and less in the mindset of the 19th and 20th century of Western idealism.

Of course, it seems, that you may not understand what I mean.


Limited immigration of the 20th century done well? Yeah the Great Depression was a roaring time in our nation's history.
Immigration was tightly controlled from 1924 to 1965. Unless my memory fails me, the US did very well in the late 40's to mid 60's with limited immigration.

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Why do you refer to Australia? There was the "White Australia" policy? Should we also institute that?
No, I think we should institute the 'you must bring something to the table and be able to support yourself if you are going to come here' policy.

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The fact of the matter is that social reform here can, and has, changed the world.
If the US collapses under an ever increasing burden of overwhelmingly unskilled and uneducated people we will be reforming nothing.
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Old 09-07-2009, 09:43 PM
 
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Immigration was tightly controlled from 1924 to 1965. Unless my memory fails me, the US did very well in the late 40's to mid 60's with limited immigration.



No, I think we should institute the 'you must bring something to the table and be able to support yourself if you are going to come here' policy.



If the US collapses under an ever increasing burden of overwhelmingly unskilled and uneducated people we will be reforming nothing.
You forgot the Great Depression. Also, you failed to mention that during the 2000s and the 1990s the stellar economy was marked by high levels of immigration.

The US won't collapse by the burden of unskilled labor. If anything it will collapse due to over consumption.

Wondering, how do you reconcile the fact that illegal immigrants do indeed rise well demographically over the generations? Is this simply a fluke? Do you think that this has any bearing to the conversation?
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Old 09-07-2009, 09:52 PM
 
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You forgot the Great Depression. Also, you failed to mention that during the 2000s and the 1990s the stellar economy was marked by high levels of immigration.

The US won't collapse by the burden of unskilled labor. If anything it will collapse due to over consumption.

Wondering, how do you reconcile the fact that illegal immigrants do indeed rise well demographically over the generations? Is this simply a fluke? Do you think that this has any bearing to the conversation?
Inglorious...I loved that movie. Good luck on trying to get people to get over these facts...
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Old 09-07-2009, 10:26 PM
 
Location: Colorado
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AAhhh the great depression from 1929 to about 1939, my fathers family came over shortly after.
but seems the sentiment was around even then.Prior to the Great Depression, immigrants from other countries came to the U

The large and growing disparity of wealth between the well-to-do and the middle-income citizens made the U.S. economy unstable. Influx of immigrants, before great depression,,, great influx of immigrants in 1990-2000 another hit. We may not collapse due to unskilled labor, but do you honestly think 1. we need more of this crap and 2. That we should HAVE to put up with it?
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