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Old 07-21-2008, 03:51 PM
 
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Eileen Burke, a retired Philadelphia police officer who lives near the scene, said about the time of the beating she heard someone shouting “You tell all your Mexican friends to get out of town,” although police said they will not comment on the assailants’ motivation until interviews are complete
Archives | republicanherald.com | The REPUBLICAN & Herald | News > Local News | ‘How is that not a racial issue?’: Shenandoah residents react to homicide (http://republicanherald.com/articles/2008/07/17/news/local_news/pr_republican.20080717.a.pg1.pr17homicide_s1.18158 54_top2.txt - broken link)
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Old 07-21-2008, 03:56 PM
 
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Archives | republicanherald.com | The REPUBLICAN & Herald | News > Local News | ‘How is that not a racial issue?’: Shenandoah residents react to homicide (http://republicanherald.com/articles/2008/07/17/news/local_news/pr_republican.20080717.a.pg1.pr17homicide_s1.18158 54_top2.txt - broken link)
Not a racial issue because Mexican is not a race. We have told you this forever and yet, you constantly forget this point. It is an ethnic crime and you did not need to post another thread about the same thing.
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Old 07-21-2008, 03:59 PM
 
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This is a double thread, should be closed...
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Old 07-21-2008, 04:01 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Suffice to say: if the attack on Ramirez was unprovoked-------then the assailants need to be punished to the fullest extent of the law.

Read that Ramirez not drawing a weapon, etc. OTOH Verbal threats would not be probable cause for killing the man.
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Old 07-21-2008, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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It could very well be a 'hate crime' motivated at least partially by the victim's ethnicity. If it is, these teens need to be charged accordingly. That's what living under the Rule of Law does, it gives a means of meting out justice.

These kids need to face the Rule of Law, just as anyone else that violates it.
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Old 07-21-2008, 04:19 PM
 
Location: Wilmington, NC
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don't we have a thread that deals with this? I didn't care on that thread, and I don't care on this one. a crime is a crime. if they committed it against him for being mexican, it's no worse than if they had committed it if it had been a woman.

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Old 07-21-2008, 04:47 PM
 
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Not a racial issue because Mexican is not a race. We have told you this forever and yet, you constantly forget this point. It is an ethnic crime and you did not need to post another thread about the same thing.
Would your issue be that it is not murder because the victim was a "Mexican".
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Old 07-21-2008, 05:06 PM
 
Location: part of the Matrix--for now!
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Not a racial issue because Mexican is not a race. We have told you this forever and yet, you constantly forget this point. It is an ethnic crime and you did not need to post another thread about the same thing.
Bwahahahahaha!!! Oh man, this is the lamest attempt at "hand waving" I've ever seen. Somebody please tell me that the above post is a joke.
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Old 07-21-2008, 05:12 PM
 
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Would your issue be that it is not murder because the victim was a "Mexican".
Do all of you pr-illegal types lack reading comprehension? Is this something that comes with loving criminals?

I never said such a thing and stop trying to say I did. I said that it was not a racial crime because the ethnicity of Mexican is not a race. We discussed this on the other thread and I don't and didn't feel it necessary to say once again that the idiot boys committed a crime.

BTW Sassy, stop trying to put words in other people's mouths because you are not good at it and it shows you to be lacking in debate skills, which you are, but no need to constantly show it.
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Old 07-21-2008, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Surprise, Az
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I would say it is a Hate crime. He was killed because he was Mexican...meaning Hispanic..latino..whatever. It came down the killer using hate as a means to commit the deed. replace Mexican with black, gay, jewish...you see it now?

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