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Old 07-27-2008, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I mostly agree with the original poster.

It'll be interesting to see how these subhuman, barbaric, savage, horrible criminals turn out in a few decades.

Living here in Texas, I can get a good idea of how things are gonna go. I see a lot of second and third generation Hispanics here on daily basis. My childhood doctor was Hispanic. Most of these people are well-mannered, English speaking, and middle class.

Maybe, just maybe, when given time (gotta love people who expect them to speak English when some have only been here a few months ) and a chance, this current group of barbaric lawbreaking savages will turn out the same way.
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Old 07-27-2008, 01:37 PM
 
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I mostly agree with the original poster.

It'll be interesting to see how these subhuman, barbaric, savage, horrible criminals turn out in a few decades.

Living here in Texas, I can get a good idea of how things are gonna go. I see a lot of second and third generation Hispanics here on daily basis. My childhood doctor was Hispanic. Most of these people are well-mannered, English speaking, and middle class.

Maybe, just maybe, when given time (gotta love people who expect them to speak English when some have only been here a few months ) and a chance, this current group of barbaric lawbreaking savages will turn out the same way.
Interesting viewpoint. Like you, I'm exposed daily to second and third (and even tenth) generation Hispanics. A number of them are my relatives and in-laws. Many of the "Hispanics", like my wife have roots here (in California) that predate the coming of Europeans. They're Indians.

Still, it must be admitted that these 'long-term' Hispanic Americans came at a time (or were simply 'absorbed' into America, when the border moved), when there was little patience for anything other than becoming an assimilated part of American society. Nobody was encouraged to 'celebrate their differences', and most people assimilated quite well, encouraged by no small amount of 'peer pressure'. Illegal immigration (which we've had since 'day one') was a 'gentleman's agreement'..the illegals were glad to be here, most people were glad to have them, and there wasw little sense of 'entitlement' on their part. They existed mostly 'under the radar', and neither attracted, nor wanted, any 'attention'.

Today, that's all ending. Not only are newcomers not 'pessured' to assimilate, society bends over backwards to let them know that we don't EXPECT them to assimilate, unless they feel they 'want to'....and if they don't, that's "OK", too.

So I'll agree with you, in the fact that it WILL be interesting to see how the 'current group' will turn out in the future. Will they become loyal, assimilated Americans, with a high rate of military service and patriotism (like the 'early' group has)?....maybe. But I'm not sure why they'd want to make the effort...since it's no longer 'pushed', and the same benefits are seen as belonging to 'everyone'. Under those circumstances, why go to the effort of assimilating at all?

I could even make a little quip here, about the wisdom of 'buying a cow, when the milk is free'...but I won't..
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Old 07-27-2008, 05:05 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Interesting viewpoint. Like you, I'm exposed daily to second and third (and even tenth) generation Hispanics. A number of them are my relatives and in-laws. Many of the "Hispanics", like my wife have roots here (in California) that predate the coming of Europeans. They're Indians.

Still, it must be admitted that these 'long-term' Hispanic Americans came at a time (or were simply 'absorbed' into America, when the border moved), when there was little patience for anything other than becoming an assimilated part of American society. Nobody was encouraged to 'celebrate their differences', and most people assimilated quite well, encouraged by no small amount of 'peer pressure'. Illegal immigration (which we've had since 'day one') was a 'gentleman's agreement'..the illegals were glad to be here, most people were glad to have them, and there wasw little sense of 'entitlement' on their part. They existed mostly 'under the radar', and neither attracted, nor wanted, any 'attention'.

Today, that's all ending. Not only are newcomers not 'pessured' to assimilate, society bends over backwards to let them know that we don't EXPECT them to assimilate, unless they feel they 'want to'....and if they don't, that's "OK", too.

So I'll agree with you, in the fact that it WILL be interesting to see how the 'current group' will turn out in the future. Will they become loyal, assimilated Americans, with a high rate of military service and patriotism (like the 'early' group has)?....maybe. But I'm not sure why they'd want to make the effort...since it's no longer 'pushed', and the same benefits are seen as belonging to 'everyone'. Under those circumstances, why go to the effort of assimilating at all?

I could even make a little quip here, about the wisdom of 'buying a cow, when the milk is free'...but I won't..
Another great post mac..
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Old 07-27-2008, 06:57 PM
 
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I mostly agree with the original poster.

It'll be interesting to see how these subhuman, barbaric, savage, horrible criminals turn out in a few decades.

Living here in Texas, I can get a good idea of how things are gonna go. I see a lot of second and third generation Hispanics here on daily basis. My childhood doctor was Hispanic. Most of these people are well-mannered, English speaking, and middle class.

Maybe, just maybe, when given time (gotta love people who expect them to speak English when some have only been here a few months ) and a chance, this current group of barbaric lawbreaking savages will turn out the same way.
If they are here illegally, I can think of no reason why they should remain here for us to see how their subsequent generations will fare. Hopefully, future generations of the subhuman, barbaric savages will have moved into the middle class in their own countries. Or created a middle class if there is not one now.
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Old 07-27-2008, 08:58 PM
 
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I mostly agree with the original poster.

It'll be interesting to see how these subhuman, barbaric, savage, horrible criminals turn out in a few decades.

Living here in Texas, I can get a good idea of how things are gonna go. I see a lot of second and third generation Hispanics here on daily basis. My childhood doctor was Hispanic. Most of these people are well-mannered, English speaking, and middle class.

Maybe, just maybe, when given time (gotta love people who expect them to speak English when some have only been here a few months ) and a chance, this current group of barbaric lawbreaking savages will turn out the same way.
I work with a doctor from India. Great guy but does that somehow justify every single person living in India coming here illegally, breaking any law they like on the chance they might many generations later be like this doctor?
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Old 07-27-2008, 09:00 PM
 
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Not only that, we have a presidential candidate whose father was from Kenya, so does that mean all people in Africa have the right to hop on the next ship headed to the USA?

Who cares the ethnicity of your doctor or someone else's doctor. Likely they came legally, and their being here doesn't justify massive illegal immigration from their country of origin.
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Old 07-27-2008, 09:55 PM
 
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Who cares the ethnicity of your doctor or someone else's doctor. Likely they came legally, and their being here doesn't justify massive illegal immigration from their country of origin.
Thanks...we needed that. What does ANYONE'S ethnicity have to do with the 'right or wrong' of illegal immigration? If it's wrong (and it is), then it's wrong. Period. The ONLY qualifier I can think of, is if it's a "little bit wrong" in small numbers (as it was 30 years ago), then it's a "whole bunch wrong", in the numbers in which it's occurring today.
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Old 08-19-2008, 04:24 AM
 
Location: Missouri
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We sure are getting a lot of trolls in here recently. Does this happen a lot when school starts or what?
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