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Old 07-24-2008, 10:28 PM
 
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Do you guys believe the federal government is not to blame for any of this?
Obviously it is, the federal government is in the pockets of the greedy corporations who benefit by unlimited illegal immigration but also there seems to be "deals" made between the corrupt Mexican government and our own. Mexico obviously relies very much on the "safety valve" of massive immigration to the USA.

As long as people who want a better life can simply cross the border, it helps the very very wealthy elite of Mexico remain in control, otherwise there would be a big demand for reform. Many wealthy Mexicans are perfectly happy with the status quo and why not? Although their fellow citizens might be dying by the hundreds every year trying to get out, they themselves are rolling in the money. They see no reason to change a thing.
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Old 07-24-2008, 10:29 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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I would say FOLLOW THE MONEY. Many illegal apologists are obviously employers of them, they are profiting very nicely from all the cheap illegal labor either through their businesses that employ them or the plentiful low wage servants they believe they are entitled to.

Remember -- with illegal immigration, the profits are privatized, the costs are socialized. Many of the apologists see nothing better than bringing down wages of this country, and having a very large pool of very desperate submissive workers.
And I am afraid you are correct

I suspect that quite a few so-called 'Yuppies' would be up the proverbial creek without a paddle if they had to pay market prices for their hired help.

Oh well.
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Old 07-24-2008, 10:35 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Obviously it is, the federal government is in the pockets of the greedy corporations who benefit by unlimited illegal immigration but also there seems to be "deals" made between the corrupt Mexican government and our own. Mexico obviously relies very much on the "safety valve" of massive immigration to the USA.

As long as people who want a better life can simply cross the border, it helps the very very wealthy elite of Mexico remain in control, otherwise there would be a big demand for reform. Many wealthy Mexicans are perfectly happy with the status quo and why not? Although their fellow citizens might be dying by the hundreds every year trying to get out, they themselves are rolling in the money. They see no reason to change a thing.
Really? Then why all the city's and certain states refusing to uphold federal laws? Why are certain states passing laws making it difficult for employers to verify status?
We tread lightly on Mexico because we need not just want their oil. I am all for hitting them with tariffs and shutting down NAFTA. But guess what its not just the GOV and greedy corporations. Blame the lazy cheap individuals out there who hire illegals to everything from lawn care to house keeping. Blame the greedy landlords who knowingly allow illegals to rent from them. Blame the hard left politicians who are passing sanctuary laws. Blame Joe good neighbor who doesn't report illegals when he finds out about them.
Blame the fed gov for not making it easier to do so.
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Old 07-25-2008, 07:42 AM
 
Location: Wilmington, NC
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the federal government is certainly to blame. they are enablers. if they did their job and FINED people who rent to and employ illegals, and cut off all social programs to illegals, the illegals would go away.

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Do you guys believe the federal government is not to blame for any of this?
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Old 07-25-2008, 07:44 AM
 
Location: Wilmington, NC
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didn't say I was cool, just pointed out that you weren't. all you do is apologize for people who break the laws. you don't offer any solutions, you just call those who want reform, and to enforce current laws, racists. tired, boring, predictable.

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Haha, with the amount of time i spend on this part of the forum, i'm even surprised i even have more than a 25 point reputation.

FYI, it was even worse when the negative rep system was in place. Btw, you are so cool for having a 300 plus reputation on a message board. *High Five*
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Old 07-25-2008, 08:28 AM
 
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Obviously it is, the federal government is in the pockets of the greedy corporations who benefit by unlimited illegal immigration but also there seems to be "deals" made between the corrupt Mexican government and our own. Mexico obviously relies very much on the "safety valve" of massive immigration to the USA.

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And there you have it. The nations roll toward absolute corporatism. The corporations run the government. The government serves the corporate interests first and foremost and the people get the scraps. The door is open to...dare I use the word? No I'll just call it corporatism, as it should be called.
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Old 07-25-2008, 09:08 AM
 
Location: Pa
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the federal government is certainly to blame. they are enablers. if they did their job and FINED people who rent to and employ illegals, and cut off all social programs to illegals, the illegals would go away.
Easier said than done. You have many cities with sanctuary laws that protect illegals and make it difficult for fed law enforcement to do their jobs. I feel any state or city that does not comply with fed law should forfeit any fed money.
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Old 07-25-2008, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Wilmington, NC
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that's how they got louisiana to raise the drinking age in the state.

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Easier said than done. You have many cities with sanctuary laws that protect illegals and make it difficult for fed law enforcement to do their jobs. I feel any state or city that does not comply with fed law should forfeit any fed money.
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Old 07-25-2008, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Wichita,Kansas
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I wish i could understand the thought process of the pro-illegal crowd.
Why would anyone be in favor of something that hurts wages,increases crime..
There are a few things i believe motivate some folks.
1.More Illegals=Future Democrat votes
2.Some elites and corporations would love to drive down wages,benefits.
To be against Illegal Immigration is common sense and rational.
Time to think about whats good for OUR country and not bleeding heart sentiment.
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Old 07-25-2008, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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Here's my 2 cents....as can be seen on this forum, today's controvery over illegal immigration is 10% logic, and 90% emotion....with the logic strongly supporting the "anti" position. Like it or not, 'shake' it any way you like, illegal immigration is essentially nothing more than a low-level crime. Its huge numbers are what's now getting it so much attention.

Those who support illegal immigration are forced to 'rationalize' it, since it cannot be supported by logic. No one advocates 'the cause' of tax cheats, 'deadbeat dads', or drunk drivers...yet many people who KNOW better insist on advocating for the "cause" of illegals. To do so, they must obviously rationalize. Usually, this takes one or more of several predictable 'stances'..:

(1) Illegals break the law, but they're really "good" people..

(2) Illegals break the law, but that's OK, because it's a 'stupid' law..

(3) Illegals may be 'bad', but most Americans are 'just as bad'...

(4) Illegals can't "help themselves", because various well-connected Americans 'lure' them here...

(5) To oppose illegals is an act of racism..thus the 'opposition' to them becomes worse than what the illegals themselves do...

(6) America has a long tradition of welcoming immigrants...thus illegals arriving here are part of our 'tradition'...with one small difference..

(7) We'd 'like' to stop illegal immigration, but efforts to do so would end in failure, since 'it can't be stopped'...thus we should save our money and not even try..

(8) Illegals cause problems, but other things cause WORSE problems...

Bottom line is, you can support illegal immigration all day long...but you can't do it from a logical or rational position...thus supporters of illegals are forced to rationalize....or to 'cloud the issue'. Thus, almost NO ONE argues from the point that "illegal immigration is good"...rather, it's argued from the point that "illegal immigration really isn't bad....it just SEEMS bad. You only THINK it's bad because you're a racist"....arguments like this, based on emotion, are almost impossible to 'settle', because neither side accepts the other side's 'proof'.
Excellent post! That sums up the crux of the matter better than any post I've seen anywhere.
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