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Old 07-27-2008, 01:49 AM
 
Location: Duluth, Minnesota, USA
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Here's a different perspective on the immigration debate than is usually encountered in these forums. From the Socialist Action website:

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A demand for a general amnesty (e.g., "Immediate legalization for all!") remains a crucial means, along with opposition to the raids, for explaining the dangers of "comprehensive immigration reform." Other demands that serve to educate the movement about working-class politics include: No employer sanctions! Full labor rights, civil rights, and civil liberties for all! No militarization of the border! No border wall! No criminalization of workers! Increased family reunification visas!
Socialist Action newspaper (http://www.socialistaction.org/frickey6.htm - broken link)

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Old 07-27-2008, 02:06 AM
 
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It's a well-written article and I appreciate the sentiment, but even general amnesty has its own set of headaches that would occur. However, the alternative, forcibly removing 11 million people, is impractical and impossible.

Though I do lament the militarization of the border, which used to be a beautiful, uninterrupted desert landscape.

Our idea of the "border" is a relatively recent one. In my city, the only thing separating the two countries was one large bridge and a sign that said "Welcome to the United States."
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Old 07-27-2008, 06:18 AM
 
Location: Romeoville, IL
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It's a well-written article and I appreciate the sentiment, but even general amnesty has its own set of headaches that would occur. However, the alternative, forcibly removing 11 million people, is impractical and impossible.

Though I do lament the militarization of the border, which used to be a beautiful, uninterrupted desert landscape.

Our idea of the "border" is a relatively recent one. In my city, the only thing separating the two countries was one large bridge and a sign that said "Welcome to the United States."
No, it isn't impossible to remove them all. They will self-deport if we enforce our laws.
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Old 07-27-2008, 08:32 AM
 
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Even if you can't remove all 30-40 million illegals, that's no excuse to not remove any. Remove as many as can be removed. That's how it is with other crimes, you don't stop all embezzlement, income tax fraud, rape or murder prosecutions just because you can't get them all.
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Old 07-27-2008, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Missouri
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Originally Posted by kidicarus89 View Post
It's a well-written article and I appreciate the sentiment, but even general amnesty has its own set of headaches that would occur. However, the alternative, forcibly removing 11 million people, is impractical and impossible.

Though I do lament the militarization of the border, which used to be a beautiful, uninterrupted desert landscape.

Our idea of the "border" is a relatively recent one. In my city, the only thing separating the two countries was one large bridge and a sign that said "Welcome to the United States."
You can thank the illegals for what the border looks like now. Nobodys fault but theirs. And don't go blaming the Americans because it isn't millions of us that are sneaking into Mexico.
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Old 07-27-2008, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Ca2Mo2Ga2Va!
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No, it isn't impossible to remove them all. They will self-deport if we enforce our laws.
Agreed
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Old 07-27-2008, 10:17 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Here's a different perspective on the immigration debate than is usually encountered in these forums. From the Socialist Action website:



Socialist Action newspaper (http://www.socialistaction.org/frickey6.htm - broken link)

What do you think?
I think it STINKS!
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Old 07-27-2008, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Even if you can't remove all 30-40 million illegals, that's no excuse to not remove any. Remove as many as can be removed. That's how it is with other crimes, you don't stop all embezzlement, income tax fraud, rape or murder prosecutions just because you can't get them all.
Absolutely! I seriously doubt if millions of citizens in tandem decided to refuse to pay taxes, the IRS would simply consider the problem too overwhelming to tackle. They probably wouldn't collect from all, but you can bet your last dollar they would collect from as many as possible; and their pursuit would be relentless.
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