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Old 07-27-2008, 09:09 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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That is not true at all!
Trust me: that Mexican Spanish accent is quite obvious-----and, said accent effectively cripples many of those US born children from advancement.

The cold reality is that US General English is the Gold Standard-----listen to a TV anchor some time and you will know of what of speak of.

And: BTW; my speech is slightly slurred------which is a drawback in upper crust society. Is it society's fault-------hell no!
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Old 07-28-2008, 06:56 AM
 
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Trust me: that Mexican Spanish accent is quite obvious-----and, said accent effectively cripples many of those US born children from advancement.

The cold reality is that US General English is the Gold Standard-----listen to a TV anchor some time and you will know of what of speak of.

And: BTW; my speech is slightly slurred------which is a drawback in upper crust society. Is it society's fault-------hell no!

Where are you getting this from? I have not met one latino born person who doesn't have an american accent. They might talk like latino americans in the same way i can tell even without looking when an African American is talking.
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Old 07-28-2008, 11:24 AM
 
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Improve bilingual education? IT DOESN'T WORK. CUT OFF BILINGUAL PROGRAMS. THE CHILDREN DON'T LEARN ENGLISH AND TAX MONEY IS WASTED.
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Old 07-28-2008, 11:38 AM
 
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My grandmother was a teacher in Bakersfield and Barstow California in the 1950's-1970's and she saw the advent of bilingual education. She said it was detrimental to the students by keeping them behind rather then moving them forward and that ultimately immersion worked better.
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Old 07-28-2008, 08:34 PM
 
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Immersion works.

Anyone who has tried to learn a language knows that you can sit for year after year in classrooms, get straight A's and still be unable to converse well but if you go live in the country whose language you wish to learn and start speaking it, you will learn quite fast.

Bilingual education usually means all Spanish classrooms where mediocre teachers who might speak great Spanish cannot teach math or science and these kids are left in the dirt.

The problem is for the USA, while European and Asian countries are emphasizing math and science, our leaders are trying to force kids into learning Spanglish and don't bother with the other courses and we're falling behind fast.
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Old 07-28-2008, 09:41 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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My grandmother was a teacher in Bakersfield and Barstow California in the 1950's-1970's and she saw the advent of bilingual education. She said it was detrimental to the students by keeping them behind rather then moving them forward and that ultimately immersion worked better.
We had only English immersion while I was going to public school in the Wash DC area in the 1960's/70's.
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Old 07-28-2008, 09:51 PM
 
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We had only English immersion while I was going to public school in the Wash DC area in the 1960's/70's.
California is always ahead of the game with social experiments. I doubt they had anything but immersion for the majority of her career, it was in the later stages that bilingual education came into being. She oppossed it from the beginning and was labeled racist for it.
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Old 07-28-2008, 10:23 PM
 
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Trust me: that Mexican Spanish accent is quite obvious-----and, said accent effectively cripples many of those US born children from advancement.
That's rather silly of you to say. I know quite a few Mexican nationals who have a better command of the English language than most Americans do. I just had lunch the other day with a Mexican corporate big wig, who said that when he went to Chicago his white counterparts looked down on him for his thick accent, until he shut them up by knowing more about their corporation than they did.

What does accent have to do with mastering the English language?

Is there something wrong with me having a Texas accent? Or an Indian living in the U.S. having his?

Mastery of English is important in the American business world, not mastery of some mythical "perfect American" accent you propagate.
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Old 07-28-2008, 11:15 PM
 
Location: California
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Try again.

So many US born/raised Latino young adults have accents that suggest they just immigrated here maybe 2-3 years ago---------yet, most same age Asian kids speak flawless English by age 18 even if they came here 8 years previously from Cambodia, Vietnam, etc.

Why is that?
I call BS.
Theres a whole lot of assumption in this post. You have a tendecy of phrasing things matter of factly.

I want to see sources on "so many U.S. Born/Raised Latinos" and "most Asians kids" supporting your claims.
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Old 07-28-2008, 11:17 PM
 
Location: California
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Immersion works.

Anyone who has tried to learn a language knows that you can sit for year after year in classrooms, get straight A's and still be unable to converse well but if you go live in the country whose language you wish to learn and start speaking it, you will learn quite fast.

Bilingual education usually means all Spanish classrooms where mediocre teachers who might speak great Spanish cannot teach math or science and these kids are left in the dirt.

The problem is for the USA, while European and Asian countries are emphasizing math and science, our leaders are trying to force kids into learning Spanglish and don't bother with the other courses and we're falling behind fast.
But the Asian kids arent falling behind!
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