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Old 07-28-2008, 11:20 PM
 
Location: California
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That's rather silly of you to say. I know quite a few Mexican nationals who have a better command of the English language than most Americans do. I just had lunch the other day with a Mexican corporate big wig, who said that when he went to Chicago his white counterparts looked down on him for his thick accent, until he shut them up by knowing more about their corporation than they did.

What does accent have to do with mastering the English language?

Is there something wrong with me having a Texas accent? Or an Indian living in the U.S. having his?

Mastery of English is important in the American business world, not mastery of some mythical "perfect American" accent you propagate.
Yup.
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Old 08-09-2008, 03:41 PM
 
Location: #
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Improve bilingual education? IT DOESN'T WORK. CUT OFF BILINGUAL PROGRAMS. THE CHILDREN DON'T LEARN ENGLISH AND TAX MONEY IS WASTED.
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Old 08-09-2008, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Common sense.

We did not have this bilingual nonsense 90 years ago when the immigrants came through Ellis Island...........it was either sink or swim. Too; many folks returned to Italy, etc. due to them not making it here in the USA.

My father was an immigrant to the USA in 1951; had a sponsor and got drafted for the Korean War (he was kept stateside admittedly).........needless to say, he learned English in a hurry. Besides: there were never ESL programs for Hungarian speakers here anyway.
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Old 08-09-2008, 04:11 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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The Case Against Biligual Education - 98.05

by Rosalie Pedalino Porter

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BILINGUAL education is a classic example of an experiment that was begun with the best of humanitarian intentions but has turned out to be terribly wrongheaded.
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...bilingual education has had a sufficient trial period to be pronounced a failure. It is time finally to welcome immigrant children into our society by adding to the language they already know a full degree of competency in the common language of their new country -- to give these children the very best educational opportunity for inclusion.
Rosalie Pedalino Porter is the director of the Institute for Research in English Acquisition and Development (READ), in Amherst, Massachusetts, and the editor of READ Perspectives.
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Old 08-09-2008, 04:19 PM
 
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U.S. District Judge William Wayne Justice said the Texas Education Agency is violating the civil rights of Spanish-speaking students under the federal Equal Education Opportunity Act.
Violating the rights of Spanish speaking students?! Please let this be a joke. Please! What about Chinese, Greek, Italian, Hebrew, etc, etc speaking students? This thing is out of control and must be stopped. English MUST become the official language of the U.S. or we are headed into some real division in the decades ahead. Glad I left Texas behind, but I fear this kind of idiocy will spread like the disease it is.
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Old 08-09-2008, 05:34 PM
 
Location: #
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But what do we do with all the kids who struggle with immersion?
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Old 08-09-2008, 06:14 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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But what do we do with all the kids who struggle with immersion?
If the kids are here legally; Special Education classes.....

Illegal ones need to be deported............we (the USA) has enough people who are struggling.
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Old 08-09-2008, 10:27 PM
 
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Trust me: that Mexican Spanish accent is quite obvious-----and, said accent effectively cripples many of those US born children from advancement.

The cold reality is that US General English is the Gold Standard-----listen to a TV anchor some time and you will know of what of speak of.

And: BTW; myspeech is slightly slurred------which is a drawback in upper crust society. Is it society's fault-------hell no!
It would'nt be from too many coronas would it? Just Kidding
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Old 08-09-2008, 10:37 PM
 
Location: Beautiful CA
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Oh oh and dont forget what else the want. The free medical care.

There is only one offical language here. There are also laws. Both which are mostly ignored by the politcos. All the do is write new laws to protect the illegals. Sickening !

I hear they are also pressuring the American govt to adapt the Peso.

Yep.
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Old 08-10-2008, 12:20 AM
 
Location: Surprise, Az
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If the kids are here legally; Special Education classes.....

Illegal ones need to be deported............we (the USA) has enough people who are struggling.
Special education is for students who have legit disabilities...not for students who don't know English. What you suggest is highly illegal.

I know plenty of Asians from my days in LA....They do have an accent and depending on the generation of the person it is very hard to under stand them. Same with people from India.... The hardest thing I had to do was take a grad level statistics class that was taught by a professor from India.

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