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Old 08-25-2008, 01:23 PM
 
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Believe it or not, those children have parents too.
And they can't/don't learn engish because?
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Old 08-25-2008, 01:31 PM
 
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And they can't/don't learn engish because?
Many factors play in when they don't speak English. A willingness not to learn English could also play a factor. One, they work long hours working in places where a lot of Hispanics work therefore Spanish is the primary language they use. Often using the joke "Why waste our English?". As you could imagine, they must work long hours with little pay and when they come home, they usually want to rest.

Not saying this is true for most Hispanics but from my experience, this has certainly been the case. My own mother didn't speak English for numerous years upon coming to the U.S. Because my dad had a good job, there was no need for my mother to work. She simply took care of my siblings and I until we were all old enough to go to school. This is when she began taking English classes at the adult school, ultimately ending up in college.
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Old 08-25-2008, 01:33 PM
 
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I am against bilingual education.

When my father came here in the late 1960s, he spent a year in intensive English education before being "mainstreamed" in class.

Maybe some supplemental ESL classes after school are Ok....heck, give em some "instructional DVDs to take home".... but gosh, sucks to be the immigrant kid who comes from a family that DOESN'T speak the predominant "second language" in the community, huh?
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Old 08-25-2008, 01:37 PM
 
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Many factors play in when they don't speak English. A willingness not to learn English could also play a factor. One, they work long hours working in places where a lot of Hispanics work therefore Spanish is the primary language they use. Often using the joke "Why waste our English?". As you could imagine, they must work long hours with little pay and when they come home, they usually want to rest.

Not saying this is true for most Hispanics but from my experience, this has certainly been the case. My own mother didn't speak English for numerous years upon coming to the U.S. Because my dad had a good job, there was no need for my mother to work. She simply took care of my siblings and I until we were all old enough to go to school. This is when she began taking English classes at the adult school, ultimately ending up in college.
Good for her, and I mean that sincerely. I am sure (and I am speaking as a mother myself here) she found the need to speak english even more important once you started school in order to communicate with your teachers.
America has always had immigrant communities, where the native tongue was still spoken. What is the difference between then and now? There were huge waves of immigrants from Italy, Germany, and shtels of eastern europe yet the US government didn't start making forms in italian, german or yiddish to accomadate the newcomers. They were expected to learn and they did. Why the difference now? Why the 'coddling'? If learning english was a priority, then it would be learned and there would be no need of spanish only signs throughout the city, spanish only radio stations and spanish on all signs in places like home depot and walmart.

Basically what I am saying is that due either through political correctness or the machinations of the self appointed leaders of hispanic immigration i.e. mecha et al, it has become easier to not speak english. And even that wouldn't be so bad if those who aren't learning english weren't so damn arrogant about it --- I can't speak english, you learn spanish bs that has been going around.
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Old 08-25-2008, 01:39 PM
 
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Yes, Austin city council voted to be a sanctuary city a few years ago.
I would strongly advise you to get as many of your friends, family and neighbors together and start a letter writing campaign and push back hard. Otherwise, it will only get worse. Good luck to you!
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Old 08-25-2008, 01:50 PM
 
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Good for her, and I mean that sincerely. I am sure (and I am speaking as a mother myself here) she found the need to speak english even more important once you started school in order to communicate with your teachers.
America has always had immigrant communities, where the native tongue was still spoken. What is the difference between then and now? There were huge waves of immigrants from Italy, Germany, and shtels of eastern europe yet the US government didn't start making forms in italian, german or yiddish to accomadate the newcomers. They were expected to learn and they did. Why the difference now? Why the 'coddling'? If learning english was a priority, then it would be learned and there would be no need of spanish only signs throughout the city, spanish only radio stations and spanish on all signs in places like home depot and walmart.

Basically what I am saying is that due either through political correctness or the machinations of the self appointed leaders of hispanic immigration i.e. mecha et al, it has become easier to not speak english. And even that wouldn't be so bad if those who aren't learning english weren't so damn arrogant about it --- I can't speak english, you learn spanish bs that has been going around.
I think a lot has to do with business. Back then you didn't have a lot of advertising as you do now. In a sense the Hispanic market is getting "massaged" by companies catering to their language. About 10 years ago there was no "Mexican food" section at the local grocery store. The Government isn't too far behind the companies catering to the Hispanic market.
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Old 08-25-2008, 02:14 PM
 
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I think a lot has to do with business. Back then you didn't have a lot of advertising as you do now. In a sense the Hispanic market is getting "massaged" by companies catering to their language. About 10 years ago there was no "Mexican food" section at the local grocery store. The Government isn't too far behind the companies catering to the Hispanic market.
I think that by catering to them, they are also holding them back. If your mom couldn't speak english, would she have gone to college? If education and learning english werren't a priority in your home, how would your life have been different?
I try very hard not to get out the reynolds wrap and make myself a hat, but I am becoming more and more convinced that there are a lot of different groups with a lot of different motivations that want to keep an hispanic underclass permenant. And that is a damn shame that the people themselves don't see themselves as being used....even by those who say they want to 'empower' them.
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Old 08-25-2008, 02:16 PM
 
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I think that by catering to them, they are also holding them back. If your mom couldn't speak english, would she have gone to college? If education and learning english werren't a priority in your home, how would your life have been different?
I try very hard not to get out the reynolds wrap and make myself a hat, but I am becoming more and more convinced that there are a lot of different groups with a lot of different motivations that want to keep an hispanic underclass permenant. And that is a damn shame that the people themselves don't see themselves as being used....even by those who say they want to 'empower' them.
By catering to them in Spanish, that is holding them back.
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Old 08-25-2008, 02:20 PM
 
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By catering to them in Spanish, that is holding them back.
Sorry, that is what I meant.
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Old 08-25-2008, 02:22 PM
 
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Sorry, that is what I meant.

Yeah I got the jist of what you were trying to say. No worries.
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