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Old 07-28-2008, 02:40 PM
 
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They are willing to employ cheap labor because it provides them with a bigger profit margin,” she said. “They do it at the expense of you and I and the people of Postville who get to pick up the costs of schooling, health care and all of the social services and everything else that this particular group of people brings with them — because they are poor; because they are uneducated. [The workers] are being used.”

Janelle Mueller, an employee of the Des Moines-based Children and Families Urban Ministries, came to Postville Sunday because she disagrees with the ICE action on May 12. She also believes that Agriprocessors has not been held to the same level of accountability as the workers — people she believes are much less able to understand the complexities of U.S. law.

“This is about money,” Mueller said. “It’s all about money. … The company doesn’t seem to care about the human beings that are working or the conditions they are working in. Unfortunately, I don’t see an end either. It’s like a pyramid effect. There ought to be a big mirror as you come into town and members of Agriprocessors management should be forced to look into it before they come into work. Maybe then they’d realize what they are doing to people.”

According to Tully, companies like Agriprocessors who are caught employing illegal immigrants are “the backbone of the issue.”

“If American employers wouldn’t give illegal aliens jobs, if they would actually do everything they should in their power to make sure the people working for them have a legal presence in this country, we wouldn’t have illegal immigration at the rate we have it. So, I do lay this squarely on the back of America’s business people.”

Iowa Independent » Both sides of immigration debate agree: employers should be held accountable

FINALLY: Common sense prevails. It's what we've been saying all along.
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Old 07-28-2008, 02:47 PM
 
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Poor Janelle - she's not "playing along". I wonder what's going to happen to her for calling a spade a spade.
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Old 07-28-2008, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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“If American employers wouldn’t give illegal aliens jobs, if they would actually do everything they should in their power to make sure the people working for them have a legal presence in this country, we wouldn’t have illegal immigration at the rate we have it. So, I do lay this squarely on the back of America’s business people.”


FINALLY: Common sense prevails. It's what we've been saying all along.
Yes, employers are the main culprit in this mess, and they should be forced to pay dearly.
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Old 07-28-2008, 02:56 PM
 
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They should be made to pay every social cost of having an illegal immigrant over here as well as the cost to give them a worker's visa... if they want to bring in workers then they need to pay for it all.... medical, dental, taxes, visa, law enforcement, etc...
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Old 07-28-2008, 03:09 PM
 
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I wonder too why the employers are not held as accountable as they should be. After all, they are knowingly breaking the law by hiring these people. More and more I am convinced that the backbone of our country is being rotted away by corruption.
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Old 03-30-2010, 01:11 PM
 
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It comes down to what has been labelled "business friendly environments".

There are similar issues with H-1b employees. Half the time, they are being paid roughly the sames wages, so it's not simply a matter of cost alone. It's about control and circumventing many legal protections such as FMLA.
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Old 03-30-2010, 03:37 PM
 
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although i agree, you have to think of the economic backlash to 100% legal labor in the US. legal labor comes with a whole bunch of other costs to employers besides just increased wages: benefits, OSHA controls, insurance, etc... the day we get to 100% legal labor is the day that prices for goods and services here in the US increase fairly drastically IMHO. this isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it will happen. employers are going to try to keep their same profit margins and pass the costs on to us the consumer, that's how business works here in a capitalist society.
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Old 03-31-2010, 09:15 AM
 
Location: AL
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If you are a employer of illegals then you should be charged the amount it cost to ship them back!

I agree 100% that employers are the main problem here.....if you dont employ them...they will leave on there own......Oh and for all the people out there that say "Illegals do jobs Americans will not...B.S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
That is the biggest lie being spoken by pro-illlegal grps,plain and simple.
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Old 03-31-2010, 09:21 AM
 
Location: AL
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although i agree, you have to think of the economic backlash to 100% legal labor in the US. legal labor comes with a whole bunch of other costs to employers besides just increased wages: benefits, OSHA controls, insurance, etc... the day we get to 100% legal labor is the day that prices for goods and services here in the US increase fairly drastically IMHO. this isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it will happen. employers are going to try to keep their same profit margins and pass the costs on to us the consumer, that's how business works here in a capitalist society.
I could careless about this so called "economic backlash".....in the long run the country would be 1000X's better off without them.
Look at the stats of H.C cost/jail cost/public benifits......add that into you equation and the cost to keep illegals here is insane!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sooner or later Americans will do all those jobs that the illegals "supposably" do (thats another scam being pulled on us by the leftwing media,Americans would do all those jobs if they had the chance).
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Old 03-31-2010, 09:33 AM
 
Location: US, California - federalist
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Amendment 9
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed
to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
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At-will employment is a doctrine of American law that defines an employment relationship in which either party can break the relationship with no liability, provided there was no express contract for a definite term governing the employment relationship and that the employer does not belong to a collective bargain (i.e., has not recognized a union). Under this legal doctrine:
“ any hiring is presumed to be "at will"; that is, the employer is free to discharge individuals "for good cause, or bad cause, or no cause at all," and the employee is equally free to quit, strike, or otherwise cease work.[1]

Source: At-will employment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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California Labor Code 2922. An employment, having no specified term, may be terminated at the will of either party on notice to the other. Employment for a
specified term means an employment for a period greater than one month.
What those of the opposing view are suggesting, is that we bear false witness to our own federal Constitution, and any laws pursuant to it, and bear false witness to State labor laws through the coercive use of force of the State; while claiming a reluctance to Socialism or Communism.

A market friendly work visa would bear true witness to our own supreme law of the land and generate revenue to defray public sector costs.

What is wrong with the holiness and morality of true witness bearing?
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