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Old 07-30-2008, 01:19 PM
 
Location: Missouri
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They ARE receiving an education. Our tax dollars are paying for a K-12 education. Illegal aliens are also currently enrolled in our colleges. No, I do not believe we should be responsible for providing tax-funded subsidies for them to attend college. Many U.S. citizens have worked to put themselves through college. Why can't illegals do the same?
I know that but they have no right, no matter what any judge or any pro-illegal says. They need to be deported to the home country of their parents. They can learn how to get along there and I don't care if they can't speak their home country's language.
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Old 07-30-2008, 02:26 PM
 
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I don't understand ANY of this hoopla - if someone is NOT legal, duh - deport them as soon as you find out about it!!

Giving in-state tuition for illegals, or giving anything else to illegals should be a non-issue.

It's totally absurd.
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Old 07-30-2008, 02:31 PM
 
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It has been my experience that when someone speaks of 'practicality' in seeking a solution to the illegal aliens problem this typically means whatever their proposal is, it will yield benefits for the illegal aliens and nothing for US citizens.

Allowing them to attend college at in state rates then segues nicely into the next step, which is the DREAM Act. How can you deny them citizenship after they have attended college? The DREAM Act is little more than a poorly disguised amnesty.




The DREAM Act opens the door to citizenship for any illegal alien who entered the US before age 16 and has been here at least 5 years.



A few other problems:

There is no upper age limit so someone in his 40's can claim he come to the US 10 years ago and be eligible for the DREAM Act (ie, citizenship). There is no requirement that he (or she) provide specific documents to PROVE that he has been in the US all this time. Our cowardly gov. would probably accept just about anything an illegal alien cared to present. A ticket stub from a showing of 'Alien vs. Predator'? Here's your greencard, sir.
The DREAM Act's only requirement is that he "demonstrate" that he is eligible—which in practice could mean simply making a sworn statement to that effect. This is nothing more than an invitation to fraud and abuse.



This is a hot one. Once an alien files an application for the DREAM Act—any application, no matter how outrageous—the federal government is prohibited from deporting him. They are prohibited from deporting him even if he did not remotely meet the qualifications for the DREAM Act in the first place. It would seem to me that an illegal alien could pretty much stay here forever simply by repeatedly submitting DREAM Act applications.

Sorry, but this does not sound like a very good idea to me.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/imm...ion/bg2069.cfm
All lies from the heritage foundation.

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to qualify, a DREAM Act beneficiary would have to meet certain requirements such as:
  • Proof of having arrived in the United States at age 15 or younger.
  • Proof of residence in the United States for a least five (5) consecutive years since their date of arrival.
  • Must be between the ages of 12 and 30 at time of bill enactment.
  • Having graduated from an American high school, or obtained a GED.
  • "Good moral character," essentially defined as the absence of a significant criminal record (or any major drug charges), compliance with Selective Service laws and an absence of fraudulent information in documents
DREAM Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Read the bill yourself .
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Old 07-30-2008, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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All lies from the heritage foundation.



DREAM Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Read the bill yourself .
And what do you think that 'proof' will be? A 'sworn statement'? A dated copy of the coyote's bill? A worn-out pair of hiking shoes?

Get real, the DREAM Act is nothing more than another amnesty dressed up for American SUCKERS!
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Old 07-30-2008, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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All lies from the heritage foundation.

DREAM Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Read the bill yourself .
What, the "bill" you Dreamies have posted on Wikipedia? Yes, I saw the thread also.

No thanks! I'd rather get it from the horse's mouth. Search Results - THOMAS (Library of Congress)
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Old 07-30-2008, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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All lies from the heritage foundation.

DREAM Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Read the bill yourself .
Is THIS the 'credible' source we are expected to believe? You kids really need to learn the art of being surreptitious.

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Okay, so for those of you who were in the chat held on...Sunday, was it?...will probably recall that we discussed editing Wikipedia articles that concern immigration, making them more factual and beneficial to our side. The main reasons we want to do this is:
WikiBombing, week 1: Illegal Immigration in the United States - DREAM Act Portal - Forums
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Old 07-30-2008, 03:07 PM
 
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Not usually an advocate of lawsuits, Benicar . . . however, this one makes perfect sense to me.
Ditto! I will pray daily that this one comes to fruition. If it does, I can see the members of a certain website packing post haste, DREAMS and all.
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Old 07-30-2008, 03:10 PM
 
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Why should they receive in-state tuition when they aren't even supposed to be here? Did you watch the video? Do you not understand the expense of providing in-state tuition subsidies for thousands of illegal aliens? Isn't it enough that we are already paying for K-12 education?
Of course not, they're so greedy, ungrateful and self absorbed. They won't be happy until they get the whole taxpayer funded enchilada at the expense of the futures of American children.
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Old 07-30-2008, 03:13 PM
 
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I thought we *needed* illegals to do the hard work low paying jobs that no one else wants to do, but come to find out we need them to send them to college at reduced rates because they really don't want to do the hard work low paying jobs either.

Now we know they believe they are entitled to have the taxpayers put them through college, that they believe they deserve a college education more than Americans or legal foreign students.

Bravo! I'd rep you if I could. They keep raising the bar of achievement for themselves while lowering the number of seats and scholarships available to American children whose success depends on a college education in order to succeed in the future. Their arrogance, greed and sense of entitlement knows no bounds.
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Old 07-30-2008, 03:24 PM
 
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Default The dream act portal

Welcome to the DREAM Act Portal

Approximately 2.8 million students will graduate from United States High Schools this year. Some of them will go on to college, join the military, or take another path in life, eventually becoming active members of society, all equally American. However, in this sea of individuals, a group of approximately 60,000 will not have this opportunity, not because they lack motivation, but because of the status passed on to them by their parents. These often highly achieved individuals cannot attend college, enlist in the armed forces, or otherwise live a full life. Children that grew up on American soil, respect the laws of this country, and want nothing more than to be recognized for what they are, Americans, bear an inherited title of an “illegal immigrant”.
The DREAM Act is a bill introduced in the United States Senate in November of 2005 by Senator Richard Durbin that will solve this growing problem. Now boasting 20 cosponsors, this legislature is a carefully constructed document with strict requirements and eligibility limitations. Under the provisions of this bill, those who entered the United States five years prior to the passage of the legislature and were under the age of 16 at the time of entry are eligible for a six year conditional residency status upon completion of an associates degree or two years of military service. If the applicant demonstrates good moral character, at the end of the six year conditional residency, the applicant can apply for United States citizenship. This is the opportunity that eligible students hope for.






Welcome to the DREAM Act Portal | DREAM Act Portal
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