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Old 07-31-2008, 03:08 PM
 
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Hmmmmmmm, JDubsMom, possibly . . . POLITICIANS IN TRAINING? ! ! ! !
These folks are more corrupt and irrational than all of our politicians put together. But they'd be hella great politicians in Mexico where rampid corruption and BS are the order of the day.
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Old 07-31-2008, 05:04 PM
 
Location: California
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Wow, rap music has that much of an influence?
Or perhaps the Crips have colonial political ambitions?

Must everything be America's fault?
Rap music? haha.

Back in the 80s or so, there was a lot of immigration from El Salvador. Lots of kids come at a very young age. Maybe 3, 4 years old.
They grow up in an alien environment, which happens to be some of the more neglected neighborhoods in America.
Pico-Union, Koreatown, South Central, whatever.
They grow up under American influence, some of that influence being gang culture.
To defend themselves from the Black gangs and Cholos, they form MS-13, very much influenced by the Mexican gangs.
SOME of them end up committing crimes when they get older, and because of their status, they get deported to El Salvador. They end up in a country they are not familiar with at all, pretty much alone, so they end up on the streets dirt poor over there. But the poor kids over there think the way they talk, dress, and act is cool.
More deported gangbangers end up over there with their American gangbanging style. The poor kids over there pick up on it, and before you know it, the gangs become huge over there.

Its not the kids who were already in El Salvador, its the American exports. Its American made!

Thats why the police have a real hardon for deportees being sent from America coming back with all kinds of tattoos. Its enough to get you killed on the spot by a cop. Its out of control over there.

Maybe if they had been in a better neigborhood in the U.S., they'd be exporting Lacrosse and Pokemon to the kids of El Salvador instead of the "Thug Life", lol.

So no, its not the Tupac albums.
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Old 07-31-2008, 05:14 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Rap music? haha.

Back in the 80s or so, there was a lot of immigration from El Salvador. Lots of kids come at a very young age. Maybe 3, 4 years old.
They grow up in an alien environment, which happens to be some of the more neglected neighborhoods in America.
Pico-Union, Koreatown, South Central, whatever.
They grow up under American influence, some of that influence being gang culture.
To defend themselves from the Black gangs and Cholos, they form MS-13, very much influenced by the Mexican gangs.
SOME of them end up committing crimes when they get older, and because of their status, they get deported to El Salvador. They end up in a country they are not familiar with at all, pretty much alone, so they end up on the streets dirt poor over there. But the poor kids over there think the way they talk, dress, and act is cool.
More deported gangbangers end up over there with their American gangbanging style. The poor kids over there pick up on it, and before you know it, the gangs become huge over there.

Its not the kids who were already in El Salvador, its the American exports. Its American made!

Thats why the police have a real hardon for deportees being sent from America coming back with all kinds of tattoos. Its enough to get you killed on the spot by a cop. Its out of control over there.

Maybe if they had been in a better neigborhood in the U.S., they'd be exporting Lacrosse and Pokemon to the kids of El Salvador instead of the "Thug Life", lol.

So no, its not the Tupac albums.
I'm sure the 10 years of civil war didn't have a thing to do with it, it's ALL imported from America?

Yeah, riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight...
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Old 07-31-2008, 05:15 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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MS-13 makes the mafia look like boy scouts. This is a result of open borders.
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Old 07-31-2008, 05:22 PM
 
Location: California
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I'm sure the 10 years of civil war didn't have a thing to do with it, it's ALL imported from America?

Yeah, riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight...
Learn something, Guy.
10 years of civil war didn't make the bloods, crips, 18th street, Florencia. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight?
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Old 07-31-2008, 05:27 PM
 
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Rap music? haha.

Back in the 80s or so, there was a lot of immigration from El Salvador. Lots of kids come at a very young age. Maybe 3, 4 years old.
They grow up in an alien environment, which happens to be some of the more neglected neighborhoods in America.
Pico-Union, Koreatown, South Central, whatever.
They grow up under American influence, some of that influence being gang culture.
To defend themselves from the Black gangs and Cholos, they form MS-13, very much influenced by the Mexican gangs.
SOME of them end up committing crimes when they get older, and because of their status, they get deported to El Salvador. They end up in a country they are not familiar with at all, pretty much alone, so they end up on the streets dirt poor over there. But the poor kids over there think the way they talk, dress, and act is cool.
More deported gangbangers end up over there with their American gangbanging style. The poor kids over there pick up on it, and before you know it, the gangs become huge over there.

Its not the kids who were already in El Salvador, its the American exports. Its American made!

Thats why the police have a real hardon for deportees being sent from America coming back with all kinds of tattoos. Its enough to get you killed on the spot by a cop. Its out of control over there.

Maybe if they had been in a better neigborhood in the U.S., they'd be exporting Lacrosse and Pokemon to the kids of El Salvador instead of the "Thug Life", lol.

So no, its not the Tupac albums.
So, are you saying that there was no gangs in El Salvadore prior to Illegals being deported back to their home country? There was no gun culture, no drug culture? Because I don't buy it. Believe it or not, criminality is not an American invention, nor is it an American export. Also, while difficult it is not mandatory to join a gang while living in the US. It is not mandatory to blow off school and use drugs and/or sell drugs. It is not mandatory to beat the crap out of rival gangbangers or to shoot them. Those would be choices, and bad ones at that. And those choices are being made by a wide variety of teenagers throughout the world, not just the US. That's all I'm saying.
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Old 07-31-2008, 05:31 PM
 
Location: California
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So, are you saying that there was no gangs in El Salvadore prior to Illegals being deported back to their home country? There was no gun culture, no drug culture? Because I don't buy it. Believe it or not, criminality is not an American invention, nor is it an American export. Also, while difficult it is not mandatory to join a gang while living in the US. It is not mandatory to blow off school and use drugs and/or sell drugs. It is not mandatory to beat the crap out of rival gangbangers or to shoot them. Those would be choices, and bad ones at that. And those choices are being made by a wide variety of teenagers throughout the world, not just the US. That's all I'm saying.
Of course crime and drugs were in El Salvador like everywhere, but the huge problem of gangs and all the problems that come with gangs were a big American export.
It is what it is. Its easy to believe America is all pristine, and all of our problems are imported from other countries, but MS-13 is a case where its the other way around.
DId you know there are crips in South Africa?
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Old 07-31-2008, 05:32 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Learn something, Guy.
10 years of civil war didn't make the bloods, crips, 18th street, Florencia. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight?
While the origins of the gang are indeed the streets of LA, the gang was originally populated with many of the Salvadoran guerrillas who came to the US after an extensive civil war in El Salvador. It took several years before MS-13 would allow anyone other than a fellow Salvadoran into the gang.

I know more than you might think, amigo.
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Old 07-31-2008, 05:34 PM
 
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Rap music? haha.

Back in the 80s or so, there was a lot of immigration from El Salvador. Lots of kids come at a very young age. Maybe 3, 4 years old.
They grow up in an alien environment, which happens to be some of the more neglected neighborhoods in America.
Pico-Union, Koreatown, South Central, whatever.
They grow up under American influence, some of that influence being gang culture.
To defend themselves from the Black gangs and Cholos, they form MS-13, very much influenced by the Mexican gangs.
SOME of them end up committing crimes when they get older, and because of their status, they get deported to El Salvador. They end up in a country they are not familiar with at all, pretty much alone, so they end up on the streets dirt poor over there. But the poor kids over there think the way they talk, dress, and act is cool.
More deported gangbangers end up over there with their American gangbanging style. The poor kids over there pick up on it, and before you know it, the gangs become huge over there.

Its not the kids who were already in El Salvador, its the American exports. Its American made!

Thats why the police have a real hardon for deportees being sent from America coming back with all kinds of tattoos. Its enough to get you killed on the spot by a cop. Its out of control over there.

Maybe if they had been in a better neigborhood in the U.S., they'd be exporting Lacrosse and Pokemon to the kids of El Salvador instead of the "Thug Life", lol.

So no, its not the Tupac albums.
If they had simply stayed in El Salvador the whole situation could have been avoided.
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Old 07-31-2008, 05:42 PM
 
Location: California
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If they had simply stayed in El Salvador the whole situation could have been avoided.
The thing is, you guys are assuming that gangbangers and hardened criminals are sneaking into America. Many of you think MS-13 is invading.
MS-13 is Made in America.
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