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Old 07-31-2008, 09:05 PM
 
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They could have just as easily been illegals he harbored, obviously he bypasses any background checks on illegals he encourages to move here, but more to the point -- do you care even remotely as much about an innocent child as you do about an illegal killed in the USA?

If Americans kill a Mexican it's a big deal, if Mexicans do, no problem?

The family is an immigrant family. Does it only matter if something happens bad to Mexican immigrants in the USA?
Don't act as if you care about this innocent child, you are just trying to use his death to score political points. Right now you are reaching and grasping for a whole lot of straws to somehow connect this to immigration or illegal immigration for that matter. This is a very sad case but it has nothing to do with illegal immigration.
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Old 07-31-2008, 09:08 PM
 
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Immigrant family but also a very pro-open borders priest involved who never misses a march when it comes to protest for keeping the borders unenforced.

The uncle is well-known for harboring illegals, using his church.
So this is payback for a person out for immigrant rights?
Thats the tie to immigration?
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Old 07-31-2008, 09:17 PM
 
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Don't act as if you care about this innocent child, you are just trying to use his death to score political points. Right now you are reaching and grasping for a whole lot of straws to somehow connect this to immigration or illegal immigration for that matter. This is a very sad case but it has nothing to do with illegal immigration.
Somehow I didn't think a killing of a Mexican immigrant would matter to you too much if it wasn't by Americans.

The case is connected obviously because the uncle is a very vocal pro-illegal/open borders advocate. I wonder if he's still as for unrestricted illegal immigration still since some of the problems in Mexico hit home, or maybe he wants the cartels to take over the highways here too.
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Old 07-31-2008, 09:20 PM
 
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So this is payback for a person out for immigrant rights?
Thats the tie to immigration?
The other way it's connected is because unlimited illegal immigration from Mexico has not resulted in greater stability for that nation. As more and more people pack up to flee, what happens to those left behind?

Mexico is becoming quite unsafe even for immigrants wanting to make a visit back home. This kind of thing certainly could hurt the tourist dollars.
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Old 07-31-2008, 09:21 PM
 
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my travel agent promotes hawaii over mexico for this and similar reasons.
mexico is increasingly not a safe place for residents or visitors.
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Old 07-31-2008, 09:25 PM
 
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The other way it's connected is because unlimited illegal immigration from Mexico has not resulted in greater stability for that nation. As more and more people pack up to flee, what happens to those left behind?

Mexico is becoming quite unsafe even for immigrants wanting to make a visit back home. This kind of thing certainly could hurt the tourist dollars.
First of all, nothing in the story indicated the little boy was an immigrant( hence El Paso boy), and second of all , i still don't see the connection with immigration or illegal immigration.
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Old 07-31-2008, 09:42 PM
 
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First of all, nothing in the story indicated the little boy was an immigrant( hence El Paso boy), and second of all , i still don't see the connection with immigration or illegal immigration.
The uncle:

The Rev. Arturo J. Banuelas of El Paso, pastor of St. Pius X Catholic Community, founding director of Tepeyac Institute for Lay Ministry Training and author of Mestizo Christianity: Christian Theology from the Latino Perspective, suggested that the best point of departure for credible ecumenical mission may be found in everyday life. “Ecumenical mission is about acompanamiento en lo cotidiano, about co-journeying in the everyday experiences of a people who look to God for survival and life,” he said. “Latin American faith communities in their everyday faith expressions invite us to dig deeper, to immerse ourselves more in their particular context, to have a faith dialogue… They invite us to cross the border from our mission work assumptions into their vision of life now threatened by devastating globalization forces…. Our co-journeying forms an ecumenical communion that defies global inequalities. Then crossing borders will be a sacred process of universalizing God’s love without destroying its local manifestations.”

http://www.uscatholicmission.org/files/upd2001s.pdf (broken link)

Current Membership of the U.S.-Mexico Border and Immigration Task Force

borderstrategyconf.org - Current Membership of the U.S.-Mexico Border and Immigration Task Force


This letter was signed by over 25 human rights and environmental
groups and activists, as well as border residents and concerned U.S.
citizens.

April 1, 2008 was the beginning of a very sad time for millions of us
on the border, in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California, and
throughout the U.S. The Bush administration issued two waivers on
April 1 that circumvent dozens of U.S. environmental and other laws to
pave the way for wall construction to begin immediately on the Texas
border, and to continue on the New Mexico, Arizona and California borders.

Legal Activists of Color: WAIVERS PAVE WAY FOR DEVASTATING BORDER WALL, A LETTER TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE*

--- I just wonder if he's as adamantly for the open borders between the USA and his beloved Mexico. Maybe he is.
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Old 07-31-2008, 09:50 PM
 
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Don't act as if you care about this innocent child, you are just trying to use his death to score political points. Right now you are reaching and grasping for a whole lot of straws to somehow connect this to immigration or illegal immigration for that matter. This is a very sad case but it has nothing to do with illegal immigration.
And one more for you -- the uncle was one of the biggest proponents of the Mexicanization of the USA there was. A major one-world globalist who did not work for justice and reform in Mexico but for unlimited immigration to the USA to solve all it's social problems.


Church Offers Sanctuary To Undocumented Workers - News Story - KFOX El Paso

Church Offers Sanctuary To Undocumented Workers

EL PASO, Texas -- An El Paso church is taking a stand by sheltering illegal immigrants just like churches across the country.

St. Pius X, in addition to several other churches, is part of the New Sanctuary Movement that lets immigrants who are undocumented and working live on their property.

While the movement is now gaining attention in the United States, local church leaders say they've been doing it for years.

“Sanctuary for those people who are undocumented in our area has been a tradition all along the border and churches and families have been doing that, because in their hearts they feel compassion and want to help people in those situations," said Arturo Banuelas, monsignor for St. Pius X.
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Old 07-31-2008, 10:03 PM
 
Location: California
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And one more for you -- the uncle was one of the biggest proponents of the Mexicanization of the USA there was. A major one-world globalist who did not work for justice and reform in Mexico but for unlimited immigration to the USA to solve all it's social problems.


Church Offers Sanctuary To Undocumented Workers - News Story - KFOX El Paso

Church Offers Sanctuary To Undocumented Workers

EL PASO, Texas -- An El Paso church is taking a stand by sheltering illegal immigrants just like churches across the country.

St. Pius X, in addition to several other churches, is part of the New Sanctuary Movement that lets immigrants who are undocumented and working live on their property.

While the movement is now gaining attention in the United States, local church leaders say they've been doing it for years.

“Sanctuary for those people who are undocumented in our area has been a tradition all along the border and churches and families have been doing that, because in their hearts they feel compassion and want to help people in those situations," said Arturo Banuelas, monsignor for St. Pius X.

nah, you fail.
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Old 07-31-2008, 10:06 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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The boy's uncle is one of the very vocal local open-borders advocates. He harbors illegals in his church and openly boasts about that, kind of ironic. I wonder if the uncle will still be as adamantly for open unenforced borders or will harbor everyone he can from over there.
That statement makes me think of a popular quote.

"NO GOOD DEED GOES UNPUNISHED"

I have been telling people all over the El Paso forums to stay out of Mexico.. no one seems to want to listen.
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