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Old 08-01-2008, 02:40 PM
 
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Well then I can add you to my list of smartest people I know as well.
Yeah, John, CG and I are impressed w/ your obvious discernment with choosing your friends, LOL!!!
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Old 08-01-2008, 05:15 PM
 
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...just Google "North American Union" and see what you come up with. Basically our efforts are futile--they will only delay the inevitable.
Where can I get my dollars changed for Amero's? *Not that I want them*

The real question is: How many of us will be labeled as "domestic terrorists" when we oppose and protest this?
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Old 08-01-2008, 05:29 PM
 
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I had to work today, and was unable to post. WOndered how I might be added to the "smartest people" list?
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Old 08-01-2008, 05:30 PM
 
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all this capture and release talk is a very xenophobic approach- too much Lou Dobbs corrupts the brain

unless you are Native American- you are an immigrant to this country- and last time I checked, border guards weren't waiting for the founders of the constitution when they arrived either- and probably countless ancestors of a lot of people that tout "oh I'm for legal immigration but not illegal immigration" probably had someone in their family at some point in time go around the process- but yet, they are going to deny someone the right to prosperity because they are different then them

it's like- find the same people who support the Minutemen at "On The Border" after a long day of deportation enjoying a Negra Modelo and a Chimichanga

some days I don't get it...
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Old 08-01-2008, 05:37 PM
 
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I had to work today, and was unable to post. WOndered how I might be added to the "smartest people" list?
Oh, now, Hoagie, you know you are on the list, LOL!!!!!
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Old 08-01-2008, 05:46 PM
 
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all this capture and release talk is a very xenophobic approach- too much Lou Dobbs corrupts the brain

unless you are Native American- you are an immigrant to this country- and last time I checked, border guards weren't waiting for the founders of the constitution when they arrived either- and probably countless ancestors of a lot of people that tout "oh I'm for legal immigration but not illegal immigration" probably had someone in their family at some point in time go around the process- but yet, they are going to deny someone the right to prosperity because they are different then them

it's like- find the same people who support the Minutemen at "On The Border" after a long day of deportation enjoying a Negra Modelo and a Chimichanga

some days I don't get it...
You know, there's an old saying "To the victor go the spoils". What this means, is that when a group of people lose a war, the winner gets to take what they want. The colonists wanted America, so they fought for and won it. Right or wrong, this country was taken away from the native Americans.

The immigration laws of today were set up by the government which controls the land today. How can you say people are xenophobic because they expect others to respect the laws of the land? Illegal immigration has a price tag- a mighty big price tag, that the rest of us must bear. It's not about xenophobia, it's about respecting our laws and using the system the way it's supposed to be used.

Following your logic, why dont we do away with passports and visas, and allow whoever in the world wants to come here the ability to do so unencumbered? I promise it wouldnt take long to see the err in that line of thought.
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Old 08-01-2008, 05:57 PM
 
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Here is how I feel about it.

I will just sneak into Switzerland, Germany, France . . . and let's see how I get treated there. Let's see if I can get a job and just hang out for as long as I want and then demand my citizenship.
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Old 08-01-2008, 06:03 PM
 
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WASHINGTON (AP) - Illegal immigrants who've ignored deportation orders in five cities may get a reprieve under an experimental program.

Immigration and Customs Enforcement says if they volunteer between Tuesday and August 22nd to leave the country, they'll be given up to 90 days to square away their personal affairs. But they may have to wear an electronic ankle bracelet confining them to certain areas.

WBTV 3 News, Weather Sports, Traffic, and Programming Guide for Charlotte, NC | Experimental program offered to some illegal immigrants

I don't see anyone lining up to take advantage of this "reprieve."
Jobs are tight and ICE and state officials are cracking down. The Census Bureau says that about 10% of illegal aliens have already left voluntarily. I could see illegals who are on the fence taking advantage of this opportunity.
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Old 08-01-2008, 06:16 PM
 
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Jobs are tight and ICE and state officials are cracking down. The Census Bureau says that about 10% of illegal aliens have already left voluntarily. I could see illegals who are on the fence taking advantage of this opportunity.
I think it is a good idea, for those who do want to leave (or know the *** is up and figure they will have to leave at some point).

This does not penalize anyone . . . and I do not want to see anyone criminalized (unless they have committed crimes while here, of course).

I truly do believe people have come here to find work. I don't blame them!!! But they are not treated right once they get here - they are essentially indentured slaves, and that is a big issue w/ me. They need to go back home and apply for entry to this country like all the other immigrants have had to do who moved here permanently.

This has nothing to do w/ disliking Mexicans (or Guatemalans, or Haitians, or whatever). My experience has been that, in general, these people are good people, who truly are just wanting a better life. I have no personal animosity towards them at all . . . but it is just not the right way to do things . . . they need to immigrate legally.
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Old 08-01-2008, 06:42 PM
 
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I think that's easy to say if you were born in the US and you've only known US citizenship and you've never had to "compete" or vie for your citizenship coming from a relatively impoverished country in an extremely corrupt immigration system that expects you to give up your culture the moment you get here

the lax immigration policies in both the US in Canada in the late 70's and early 80's allowed a lot of people to realize their dreams in North America versus working for pennies on the dollar in other countries where opportunity does not so freely flow- additionally, people only have to do things illegally when the process itself is broken or lacking in some other way

It's interesting that from financial business standpoint, so many companies in the US are betting on the boom of the latin population in this country- but at the same time, they don't want to allow latin people in the country or once they do arrive- they want them to give up their language or culture!
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