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Old 08-02-2008, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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I was having a conversation with a friend of mine and we were talking about the end (according to Revelations it will be 2012) it's getting very close.

In 2004 we had a discussion during Bible study. That was the year Bush was running for the presidency and Obama was running for the Senate. The debate was about which one we thought was the anti-christ. How's that for scarey?
And; the Mayan calendar also speaks of a disaster for 2012.

Note though there is on huge 'joker in the deck': namely the USA.

With all due respect to those people who take the Christian Bible, etc. verbatim.......the further one goes from the Middle East, the more I doubt its prophecies.

Two things we all need to consider here: #1: knowing the future can oftentimes change it and #2: with the birthrate tumbling almost everywhere (some places it is below replacement level).......the odds of a cataclysism (sp) diminish greatly.
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Old 08-02-2008, 02:19 PM
 
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PC is already silencing people in this country. Being a "Christian" hasn't stopped millions of illegal aliens from stealing identities, forging documents, abusing tax-funded services, or the myriad other tactics used to circumvent and manipulate our laws. That’s not my idea of Christian behavior.
The only reason i gathered from the video for why Britain is facing the problem they have now, was because of the growing number of muslim extremists living there. If anyone saw a different reason, then be free to share it with me.
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Old 08-02-2008, 02:19 PM
 
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And; the Mayan calendar also speaks of a disaster for 2012.

Note though there is on huge 'joker in the deck': namely the USA.

With all due respect to those people who take the Christian Bible, etc. verbatim.......the further one goes from the Middle East, the more I doubt its prophecies.

Two things we all need to consider here: #1: knowing the future can oftentimes change it and #2: with the birthrate tumbling almost everywhere (some places it is below replacement level).......the odds of a cataclysism (sp) diminish greatly.
Excellent points, here's hoping that our knowledge and expectations succeeds the biblical predictions.
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Old 08-02-2008, 02:21 PM
 
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The book of revelation doesn't say the world will end in 2012. The bible makes it very clear that no one knows the specific time the end will come.
Do you have the King James Version?
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Old 08-02-2008, 02:24 PM
 
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PC is already silencing people in this country. Being a "Christian" hasn't stopped millions of illegal aliens from stealing identities, forging documents, abusing tax-funded services, or the myriad other tactics used to circumvent and manipulate our laws. That’s not my idea of Christian behavior.
I couldn't agree more, as a matter of fact they think it gives them carte blanche. Maybe they are driven by the phrase "the first becoming the last" and since this would benefit them, they are destroying America to ensure the prophecy comes to fruition.
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Old 08-02-2008, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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The only reason i gathered from the video for why Britain is facing the problem they have now, was because of the growing number of muslim extremists living there. If anyone saw a different reason, then be free to share it with me.
As I previously mentioned, not only do we have to contend with an ever-increasing population of Muslims; we have to contend with millions of illegal aliens who refuse to assimilate, and have the audacity to DEMAND rights and privileges reserved for legal citizens. Thus, I consider our situation much more volatile than that in Britain.
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Old 08-02-2008, 02:32 PM
 
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Do you have the King James Version?
Yep. and nothing man can physically do can prolong or hasten the day that Jesus will come for his church or as the book of revelation puts it the bride. From the christian point of view, it really has to do with the spiritual condition of man rather than the physical aspect of things. God is not using America and Britain as a measuring stick for when the world will end.
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Old 08-02-2008, 02:32 PM
 
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Do you have the King James Version?
Excellent point there.

Remember though that words/phrases oftentimes change meanings over the years.

The English in the KJ Version is archaic.

One verse (I forget its official name) is something to the effect of: Thou shalt have no bull in thy house; back then in meant that the livestock needed to be kept outside (probably for health/safety reasons)-------today, it may mean 'don't talk smack in my place'.
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Old 08-02-2008, 02:34 PM
 
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Yep. and nothing man can physically do can prolong or hasten the day that Jesus will come for his church or as the book of revelation puts it the bride. From the christian point of view, it really has to do with the spiritual condition of man rather than the physical aspect of things. God is not using America and Britain as a measuring stick for when the world will end.
I will admit that many folks (including myself) though that 2000 AD would be significant; well, that was 8 years ago and aside from George Bush being 'elected' President..........2000 was pretty uneventful.
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Old 08-02-2008, 02:46 PM
 
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Excellent point there.

Remember though that words/phrases oftentimes change meanings over the years.

The English in the KJ Version is archaic.

One verse (I forget its official name) is something to the effect of: Thou shalt have no bull in thy house; back then in meant that the livestock needed to be kept outside (probably for health/safety reasons)-------today, it may mean 'don't talk smack in my place'.
Ok good points to keep in mind. Thanks!
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