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Old 08-03-2008, 05:48 AM
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Together, they earned about $6 a day, which was not enough to support their family, so Mr. Jiménez, with his wife’s brother, Francisco Gaspar, decided to follow a well-traveled path to the north. That is when he changed his name from Gervacio Gaspar to Luis Jiménez, which is how he is now known, even by his family.

After pledging to pay a coyote, or smuggler, about $2,000 each to ferry them into the United States, they crossed into California under cover of darkness and made their way to Encinitas, where Mr. Jiménez’s older brother lived, Mr. Gaspar said.
This isn't the point of the article, but this is something I don't understand. I see stories about incredibly poor immigrants - yet how did they get a total of $4,000 to pay for the crossing? Did they write an IOU?

I remembering seeing a special (on CNN, I believe) about an illegal immigrant in Georgia who wanted to have her two kids join her in America because their hometown offered nothing for them. She paid a coyote $3,000 each kid (or maybe it was for both) to cross. The coyote failed, kids were sent back. So she was going to pay for it again. It just boggles my mind. How about using that money and sending it to the kids directly?
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Old 08-03-2008, 06:06 AM
Location: US
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I agree too. What surprised me is that he has family here in the US, they wouldn't take him, choosing instead to require the hospital to keep and treat him for the remainder of his life, and then sued the hospital because it sent him back to his own country. The hospital has incurred over $250,000 in legal fees to defend the lawsuit. The lawyers are the gatekeepers. No way someone should have taken this case.

Originally Posted by JDubsMom View Post
I totally agree. The US donates billions of our tax dollars in foreign aid annually, yet people continue to disrespect our laws, pour into the country by the millions illegally, depress our wages and still expect us to fulfill all of their social needs, educate and feed their children and happily support their aging relatives via chain migration. After all of that, we are also held accountable for fulfilling their version of the "American Dream".

Here we are almost a century later, the well is just about dry, our country is fast becoming a multicultural, multilingual financially, and morally bankrupt society and the world is still whining. Nothing we do will ever be enough because those who come from poverty stricken nations have this fantasy that America is a country with streets paved with gold with free, instant everything. All you have to do to qualify for "your piece of the pie" is get here legally or illegally, it doesn't matter just get here by any means necessary and you are eligible to claim your share of the pot of gold.

It's way past time to turn off the lamp, slam the doors and take care of our own.

This bares repeating:

The Beaufort Gazette: Sheriff: Employees' potentially fake documents will be investigated (broken link) - Video of Testimony: Illegal Runs Up 1.5 Mil Hospital Bill and Sues US
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Old 08-03-2008, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by tinman01 View Post
BKK LOL No we should lock that drunk up for a good long time...
As for the victim. I don't think it was right to just ship him home in that condition. We sould have done more for him as we should any human being. At the same time hospitals are getting raped by unpaid bills and its not surprising that they want to cut their losses. Not right morally but neither is stiffing a hospital that has just treated you and made you well again. Its turning into a dirty war.
From the sounds of it, his condition isn't going to get any better whereever he's living. It sounds like irreversible brain damage and what better caretaker especially for a family-oriented hispanic than a family member?

The mother can provide him culturally sensitive care, it's far better to be home and surrounded by loved ones than to be surrounded by strangers.

To me this is a wonderful story of family reunification. Expensive is not always better.
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Old 08-03-2008, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by andreabeth View Post
Read the article.
There is nothing remotely amusing about this crap. If I entered Guatemala illegally and was hit by a drunk driver, do you think Guatemala would provide me with $1.5 million in 'free' medical care? If they would not, why should we be expected to pay exorbitant medical bills for their people who should not be here and are injured? Or people who know they need expensive medical care and cross into the US illegally, knowing they will get it? Did you read about the 6 illegal aliens who came here for dialysis? It costs $65,000 a year, multiply that times 6.
This man should have been returned to his home country as soon as his condition was stable enough to transport him there. He is a citizen of Guatemala. His government needs to provide him with the care he needs. Not the US.

The irony -- the hospital would have to bring in low-paid Guatemalans to provide the guy the same kind of care he's now getting back in his home country of Guatemala in order to stay in business if they must keep patients like this.

Someone in his state needs basic care. Loving care from his mother or other family members is the best.
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Old 08-03-2008, 10:28 AM
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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For some ill migrants, free care has a price

Some hospitals eventually send them out of U.S.

When Fidel Delgado arrived at a Catholic hospital in Phoenix in mid-June after a heart attack, doctors performed life-saving bypass surgery, even though Delgado is an undocumented immigrant with no way to pay his medical bills.

Federal law requires hospitals to provide emergency care regardless of immigration status or ability to pay.

For some ill migrants, free care has a price
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Old 08-03-2008, 11:25 AM
Location: Bountiful, Utah
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It breaks my heart, they are humans too. I think the hospitals did the best with what little they had, this money comes straight out of the hospital funds. They were very sympathetic, the way the escort who took him back to Guatamale (sp?) and stayed by his side on the plane and walked him to the rehab center. How could you ever think these people are heartless? They took a big loss. But were very caring and did what any other hospital should do. No business runs without making a profit and this is also true with hospitals. It happens everyday to citizens, look at Ramos and Compeans family, they have basically lost everything but it doesn't make front page headlines.
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Old 08-03-2008, 11:42 AM
Location: Pa
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Originally Posted by andreabeth View Post
The condition he is in may be how he remains. Patients with severe head injuries often do not fully recover. He was in the hospital from Feb. 28, 2000 to July 10, 2003 except for a stay in a nursing home that does not sound like it lasted real long. I would be interested to hear specifically what else you feel we should have done.
What I feel we should have done is made sure he was as stable as possible. If that was done then fine. No harm no foul. Look I don't feel we owe illegals anything but a trip back accross the border after denying them any assets they accumulated while here illegally. At the same time we should treat someone if they are injured and its life threatening. If it was done in this case then fine.
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