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Old 06-25-2009, 01:35 AM
 
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How is this thread related to illegal immigration or green card holders?
This thread is about whether a street's name should be changed or not. Maybe "Politics" would be a better fit.
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Old 06-25-2009, 05:49 AM
 
Location: North Texas
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I am against renaming any street in Dallas for Cesar Chavez. We have enough streets here named after shady characters, we do not need another one. Chavez and his cohort Dolores Huerta threw their support behind the 1986 amnesty and fought against sanctions for employers of illegal immigrants...but then on the other hand they have been on record as being very anti-migrant. Basically whatever suited them that moment is what they were in favor of. Plus, a lot of the reconquista movements like mecha consider Chavez a hero. That is reason enough to not name a street after him, those mecha people are crazy.
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Old 06-25-2009, 08:33 PM
 
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How is this thread related to illegal immigration or green card holders?
This thread is about whether a street's name should be changed or not. Maybe "Politics" would be a better fit.

True, Cesar Chavez certainly was not an illegal alien, his movement and the UFW was about a labor union, better wages and working conditions. There was even some violence between the UFW and illegals.

For some reason, his true legacy, what he really stood for is now being erased and he's being remade into the hero of the illegals, on the same side as the greedy owners who wanted nothing but the cheapest labor and abusive conditions and broke the Chavez's union by shipping in illegals.

I guess where heros don't exist, they can be created or fabricated from leaders that had nothing to do with what they will now represent.

It was humorous - many illegals marching and demanding their reward of citizenship here were waving Che Guevara posters or wearing shirts printed with the Che Guevara picture. The news reporters asked one who Che Guevara was and he answered that Che was a great Mexican who did a lot for the Mexican people and helped illegals.
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Old 06-26-2009, 05:54 AM
 
Location: North Texas
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It was humorous - many illegals marching and demanding their reward of citizenship here were waving Che Guevara posters or wearing shirts printed with the Che Guevara picture. The news reporters asked one who Che Guevara was and he answered that Che was a great Mexican who did a lot for the Mexican people and helped illegals.
You are kidding! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 06-26-2009, 06:31 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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That says it all. Next, they'll demand to have streets nationwide renamed to "recognize" our nations' changing face.

There are Martin Luther King boulevards and avenues in most major cities. However, all that I have seen have been located in predominately black lower-class areas. I have yet to see one in the middle of downtown metropolis. You certainly won't see one in the K Street corridor of downtown DC, or in Georgetown, or near the national monuments.

If anyone has knowledge of a Martin Luther King Blvd/Ave, etc. being located in a major area of a city, with the possible exception of Atlanta, please advise.
MLK in SD is in a real sketchy part of town.
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Old 06-26-2009, 08:06 AM
 
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You are kidding! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nope -- not kidding. In the illegals' protests you often see the Che Guevara signs, posters, t-shirts and you wonder why but he seems to have been reshaped into some icon of the illegal alien movement. Maybe because he was part of the Communist revolution of Cuba and so is a symbol of Communism? Or do most of the illegals think he represents the Aztlan movement? The one the reporter asked actually believed Che was a Mexican hero and had something to do with illegals in the USA as many now believe Cesar Chavez did.

You can be certain they don't see Che Guevara as some American hero representing the old American Dream.
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Old 06-26-2009, 09:49 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Mlk in Austin, is the old 19th street. It starts at Lamar street in the wealthier west side, goes into the southern part of the University of Texas campus, and across I-35, where it turns into the predominately, black and hispanic side of town. The farther east it goes, the more impoverished it gets.
It turns into Webberville Rd., which Webberville was a black settlement after slavery.

Our east 1st street was renamed Cesar Chavez years ago. It goes right into the Barrio of the east side illegals.
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Old 06-26-2009, 07:31 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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There's a big difference between "kidding" and being a cocky know-it-all that is full of ****.
Actually; if is almost comical watching the pro illegal folks wanting to hide behind Che----------if Cuba under communism was/is any indication.
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Old 06-28-2009, 12:34 AM
 
Location: New Orleans
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No, I have a feeling that they're against eradicating the names of people that are part of Dallas' heritage. The late Cesar Chavez is an important person to the hispanics but his legacy shouldn't usurp the memory of others, especially ones that had a direct impact on the city and even moreso to the very street for which it's named. Even if the Ross family isn't famous anymore to the locals, it's good to keep the past connected to our historic streets for those that study our history.
I agree.
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Old 06-28-2009, 12:39 AM
 
Location: New Orleans
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brothers william and andrew ross were prominent dallas residents around the time of the civil war and owned much of the land that would become ross avenue. The city can rename its streets as it sees fit, but does it make sense to throw over a pioneer dallas family when the city has dozens of streets named, say, for trees?

This why the outcry against changing the name of ross avenue to chavez street, blvd., avenue or whatever.

There is no doubt the he (chavez) was a great american hero. I greatly admire what he did for all workers and i have to say, i love his stance on illegal immigration.

But why should a street named for a historic dallas family have to be relegated into oblivion so that chavez street supporters can get what they want? They've been offered several other dallas streets, and main streets too, not obscure little alleyways.

Chavez is no more deserving of having a street bearing his name than the ross family of dallas is. Leave ross avenue as it is and accept a different street. We'll all be happy then. Their little march is in no way a more crucial event than the founding of the city of dallas.
bravo!!!!
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