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Old 08-07-2008, 01:08 AM
 
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Our economy is being driven by immigration. Not just low wage labor, but skilled labor. To cut off all immigration would halt America's competitive advantage. The reason our science and tech sector, our universities, our innovation is the best in the world is due in part to immigrants. We are attracting the best and the brightest in the world. You might claim that halting this would allow more Americans to take their place, but it is not so simple. Again, if we take the best and brightest and stick them in American private companies and American universities, we are basically monopolizing human talent for our own economic advantage. We are currently using those which have gotten the most out of other country's cultural and educational systems. Watch the economy tank when all these H-visa and J and F-visa holders stop coming to the US and start going to other developed economies.
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Old 08-07-2008, 03:45 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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Can we please end this craziness and put AMERICANS first?
Sure, you just a need a president with the guts to go on national TV and ask illegals to leave.

Over stay your visa in Mexico and see how fast you land in jail.

One of the differences between the US and other countries, is that in other countries, if you haven't left when your visa expires, they come looking for you. In the US they ignore you.

I witnessed an immigration officer at the Cincinnati office repeatedly tell a woman she was in the US illegally, but did nothing to arrest her.

The Butler County Sheriff pulls 76 illegals off of a construction site (that's 76 Americans getting shut out of good paying jobs) and the immigration office in Cincinnati is telling him to release the illegals.

The federal agencies responsible for over-seeing immigration are doing nothing.
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Old 08-07-2008, 04:01 AM
 
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Sure, you just a need a president with the guts to go on national TV and ask illegals to leave.
President Eisenhower did it. It was euphemistically titled "Operation *******".

I sh1t you not.

The precedent's been set already. Never say never.
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Old 08-07-2008, 06:58 AM
 
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Our economy is being driven by immigration. Not just low wage labor, but skilled labor. To cut off all immigration would halt America's competitive advantage. The reason our science and tech sector, our universities, our innovation is the best in the world is due in part to immigrants. We are attracting the best and the brightest in the world. You might claim that halting this would allow more Americans to take their place, but it is not so simple. Again, if we take the best and brightest and stick them in American private companies and American universities, we are basically monopolizing human talent for our own economic advantage. We are currently using those which have gotten the most out of other country's cultural and educational systems. Watch the economy tank when all these H-visa and J and F-visa holders stop coming to the US and start going to other developed economies.
Great post! Some just don't get it.
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Old 08-07-2008, 07:43 AM
 
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As i suspected, some of you want to do away with legal immigration anyway. Using illegal immigration as a front or an excuse to put a stop on legal immigration doesn't make sense. There is absolutely no need to put a stop on all forms of immigration while the border is being secured.
Why not? We need time to assimilate those who are here, deport those who are illegal, wait for awhile to let anyone else in, UNTIL we decide what is best for the American people, who pay the taxes and fight the wars.

Get it? I have no problem with stopping legal immigration for awhile. I have nothing to hide on that matter.
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Old 08-07-2008, 07:51 AM
 
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Our economy is being driven by immigration. Not just low wage labor, but skilled labor. To cut off all immigration would halt America's competitive advantage. The reason our science and tech sector, our universities, our innovation is the best in the world is due in part to immigrants. We are attracting the best and the brightest in the world. You might claim that halting this would allow more Americans to take their place, but it is not so simple. Again, if we take the best and brightest and stick them in American private companies and American universities, we are basically monopolizing human talent for our own economic advantage. We are currently using those which have gotten the most out of other country's cultural and educational systems. Watch the economy tank when all these H-visa and J and F-visa holders stop coming to the US and start going to other developed economies.
People on temporary visas (like H or J) are not called "immigrants". They do not stay forever unless they get a green card. I work with them all the time, and they go back to Europe, China, Japan, etc. These are the best and brightest - scientists who contribute to our society. They can still come - they are not planning to live here unless they want to later on, and they then must be sponsored by an employer. In fact, we call them "non-immigrants", or "foreign nationals".
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Old 08-07-2008, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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The response was to this thread, HELLO????????????
or maybe you were off a little tad
If so, I obviously missed the posts suggesting we attack Mexico, kill those crossing the border, and then proceed to make their lives a living hell. Can you direct me to those posts on THIS thread?
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Old 08-07-2008, 08:24 AM
 
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People on temporary visas (like H or J) are not called "immigrants". They do not stay forever unless they get a green card. I work with them all the time, and they go back to Europe, China, Japan, etc. These are the best and brightest - scientists who contribute to our society. They can still come - they are not planning to live here unless they want to later on, and they then must be sponsored by an employer. In fact, we call them "non-immigrants", or "foreign nationals".
Cutting of all immigration means cutting them off too.
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Old 08-07-2008, 09:19 AM
 
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Our economy is being driven by immigration. Not just low wage labor, but skilled labor. To cut off all immigration would halt America's competitive advantage. The reason our science and tech sector, our universities, our innovation is the best in the world is due in part to immigrants. We are attracting the best and the brightest in the world. You might claim that halting this would allow more Americans to take their place, but it is not so simple. Again, if we take the best and brightest and stick them in American private companies and American universities, we are basically monopolizing human talent for our own economic advantage. We are currently using those which have gotten the most out of other country's cultural and educational systems. Watch the economy tank when all these H-visa and J and F-visa holders stop coming to the US and start going to other developed economies.

Manufacturing is done outside the country so we don't need the CEO's, engineers and so on when labor is so much cheaper in China and our government encourages businesses to move there.

Bringing a whole lot of very educated and highly paid immigrants into the current economy doesn't help -- college tuition is becoming too unaffordable for typical families, we don't need to bring $200,000+ a year foreign professors when college graduates aren't finding jobs.

The illegals moving in don't speak English, filling the schools will only require Spanish speaking teachers so we don't need to bring in the brightest talent for that.

GM and the other big corporations are failing. Banks are closing. Manufacturing in this country is history. Hospitals are closing or having to find ways to cut back on services and costs.
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Old 08-07-2008, 01:01 PM
 
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Cutting of all immigration means cutting them off too.
No, they are NON-immigrants.
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