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Old 08-07-2008, 08:48 PM
 
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If so, I obviously missed the posts suggesting we attack Mexico, kill those crossing the border, and then proceed to make their lives a living hell. Can you direct me to those posts on THIS thread?
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If you steal, you violate our laws, and are labeled a thief. If you kill, you violate our laws, and are labeled a murderer. If you enter our country without adhering to the rules, you have violated our laws, and are labeled an illegal alien.

You flaunt the violation of our laws through your staunch support for those who flagrantly and arrogantly violate our laws. It's that simple.




None of the above imply of to me, and to the rest of your post I have not violated any law. You will notice that the people that you suggest are pro-illegal, do not suggest that we start a war with Mexico, shoot them as they come across the border, make their life a living hell...so I would say I'm on the good side.

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Old 08-07-2008, 09:01 PM
 
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If you steal, you violate our laws, and are labeled a thief. If you kill, you violate our laws, and are labeled a murderer. If you enter our country without adhering to the rules, you have violated our laws, and are labeled an illegal alien.

You flaunt the violation of our laws through your staunch support for those who flagrantly and arrogantly violate our laws. It's that simple.




None of the above imply of to me, and to the rest of your post I have not violated any law. You will notice that the people that you suggest are pro-illegal, do not suggest that we start a war with Mexico, shoot them as they come across the border, make their life a living hell...so I would say I'm on the good side.

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I guess we'll simply have to agree to disagree.
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Old 08-25-2008, 06:10 AM
 
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the june 30 results of a rasmussen telephone survey concerning american's views on immigration are instructive. Fully 63 percent of voters view gaining control of the border as a high priority - a result that bears out earlier surveys. Moreover, 32 percent of those surveyed identified themselves as "angry" about the immigration issue.

Voters paying attention to this issue know that since 2000, an estimated 10 million to 12 million immigrants have arrived, representing the highest seven-year period of immigration in u.s. History. If immigration were to continue at this rate, the nation's population would increase from 301 million today to 468 million in 2060, a 56 percent increase.

Research on the impact this is having on the u.s. Economy reveals that americans are spending between $11 billion and $22 billion on welfare to illegal immigrants each year by state governments. Of this, $2.2 billion a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps and free school lunches.

An estimated $2.5 billion a year is spent on medicaid.

Approximately $12 billion is spent on primary and secondary school education for children that are here illegally, many of whom cannot speak english.

Thirty percent of all federal prison inmates are illegal immigrants.

Native-born americans are losing an estimated $200 billion in wages that have been driven down by the influx of illegal immigrants.
Meanwhile, over the past five years, illegal immigrants sent home remittances estimated to be between $25 billion and $45 billion to their countries of origin.

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nothing new, just what we've been saying all along.
agreed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AGREED!
And lets call them what they are: ILLEGALS, not immigrants.
Legal immigration yes. Illegals, no.
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Old 08-25-2008, 09:10 PM
 
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What we need are realistic solutions, and what you are suggesting is not realistic in this political environment.
I agree. I don't honestly think that there are, on a personal level at least, too many people who truly "love" illegal immigration or actively support it. Something certainly needs to be done to better secure the borders, but the simple fact is that there are already millions of illegal immigrants here, our economy is dependent on them, and most of them are here to work, not to simply suck off the system--having "anchor babies" to be granted the "keys to the kingdom" as one poster put it in an unintentionally hilarious way. Unfortunately, rounding them up and deporting them all is only really feasible to those who have no grip on reality. It will never, ever happen.

However, I'd really be interested seeing in some real-world solutions or ideas to solve this complex problem, because something needs to be done.
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Old 08-25-2008, 09:39 PM
 
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I agree. I don't honestly think that there are, on a personal level at least, too many people who truly "love" illegal immigration or actively support it. Something certainly needs to be done to better secure the borders, but the simple fact is that there are already millions of illegal immigrants here, our economy is dependent on them, and most of them are here to work, not to simply suck off the system--having "anchor babies" to be granted the "keys to the kingdom" as one poster put it in an unintentionally hilarious way. Unfortunately, rounding them up and deporting them all is only really feasible to those who have no grip on reality. It will never, ever happen.

However, I'd really be interested seeing in some real-world solutions or ideas to solve this complex problem, because something needs to be done.
Be prepared to be flamed, there is no room for opposing views in this immigration forum!
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Old 08-25-2008, 09:45 PM
 
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If so, I obviously missed the posts suggesting we attack Mexico, kill those crossing the border, and then proceed to make their lives a living hell. Can you direct me to those posts on THIS thread?
They were posted by more than one person and they were made by some of our hot headed members. If I come across it again I will post it for you.
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Old 08-25-2008, 11:45 PM
 
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I agree. I don't honestly think that there are, on a personal level at least, too many people who truly "love" illegal immigration or actively support it. Something certainly needs to be done to better secure the borders, but the simple fact is that there are already millions of illegal immigrants here, our economy is dependent on them, and most of them are here to work, not to simply suck off the system--having "anchor babies" to be granted the "keys to the kingdom" as one poster put it in an unintentionally hilarious way. Unfortunately, rounding them up and deporting them all is only really feasible to those who have no grip on reality. It will never, ever happen.

However, I'd really be interested seeing in some real-world solutions or ideas to solve this complex problem, because something needs to be done.
Can you explain to me HOW our economy is dependent on illegal aliens?

Can you explain to me how those illegal aliens 'suck off the system' to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars ANNUALLY without intending to do so?

Can you explain to me why deporting them 'will never, ever happen?

Can you explain to me why 1.3 million illegal aliens LEFT THE COUNTRY in the past year?

Can you?
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Old 08-26-2008, 12:34 AM
 
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Can you explain to me HOW our economy is dependent on illegal aliens?

Can you explain to me how those illegal aliens 'suck off the system' to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars ANNUALLY without intending to do so?

Can you explain to me why deporting them 'will never, ever happen?

Can you explain to me why 1.3 million illegal aliens LEFT THE COUNTRY in the past year?

Can you?
Nope. There's really no point. You won't agree, and we'll have to agree to disagree. Simply, the point I was trying to make is that these people are HERE. If there's no work, they will leave--our economy is seeing to that, and that's a good thing. For the others that stay, you don't honestly think that the government is ever going to arrest and deport them on any large scale, do you? Talking about how these people are criminals, lawbreakers, etc. is correct, but it doesn't really change anything. Is a huge, permanent underclass in the country a good thing? I just haven't heard any practical solutions to the problem, and I'd like to.
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Old 08-26-2008, 04:11 AM
 
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There are literally hundreds and thousands of prisoners serving time in jail for smaller crimes, some of whom are in a program known as "work release" where they are in a looser prison setting and go to work everyday, then come back to the facility for lock down. They are not guarded on the job, and they take city buses to the job or get rides. Why can't they do the jobs the illegals are doing? It just might deter further crime, the employers could pay the county and the jobs it is claimed only illegals can fill would be filled by American citizens.

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I agree. I don't honestly think that there are, on a personal level at least, too many people who truly "love" illegal immigration or actively support it. Something certainly needs to be done to better secure the borders, but the simple fact is that there are already millions of illegal immigrants here, our economy is dependent on them, and most of them are here to work, not to simply suck off the system--having "anchor babies" to be granted the "keys to the kingdom" as one poster put it in an unintentionally hilarious way. Unfortunately, rounding them up and deporting them all is only really feasible to those who have no grip on reality. It will never, ever happen.

However, I'd really be interested seeing in some real-world solutions or ideas to solve this complex problem, because something needs to be done.
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Old 08-26-2008, 07:25 AM
 
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Nope. There's really no point. You won't agree, and we'll have to agree to disagree. Simply, the point I was trying to make is that these people are HERE. If there's no work, they will leave--our economy is seeing to that, and that's a good thing. For the others that stay, you don't honestly think that the government is ever going to arrest and deport them on any large scale, do you? Talking about how these people are criminals, lawbreakers, etc. is correct, but it doesn't really change anything. Is a huge, permanent underclass in the country a good thing? I just haven't heard any practical solutions to the problem, and I'd like to.
One thing that would 'entice' many of the illegals to leave would be to do away with the Anchor baby loophole----------no more birthright citizenship if both parents were here illegally.

Making English the official language would chase off more.

And; if course, enforce the existing laws pertaining to the above lawbreakers up to and seizing their assets upon deportation.
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