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Old 08-06-2008, 06:07 PM
 
Location: State of Being
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Umm yeah. If you don't like someone, all you havta do is compare them to a terrorist or a Nazi and then they are EVIL!!! Talk about labeling and fear-mongering.
How am I a propagandist? I'm saying my POV, you are saying yours. We are both saying "propoganda" for our respective POVs.
Sorry, BB. Discussing policy is not spreading propaganda. Distorting policy is spreading propaganda.
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Old 08-06-2008, 06:21 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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If employer A pays more, they will come, what did Americans expect would happen?

The point I made was Americans weren't crying about illegals until they marched. Nobody cared and probably still wouldn't care if they would have continued to fly under and be good lap dogs.
As you stated.

The illegals and their allies gambled------------and, lost. Now they need to 'man up' and leave the USA.
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Old 08-06-2008, 06:23 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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The peasants should have just taken it like good slaves and never spoke up, right?
That is correct: their insolence cost them dearly in 2006----------and, this is just the beginning, Mach50.
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Old 08-06-2008, 06:24 PM
 
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Umm yeah. If you don't like someone, all you havta do is compare them to a terrorist or a Nazi and then they are EVIL!!! Talk about labeling and fear-mongering.
How am I a propagandist? I'm saying my POV, you are saying yours. We are both saying "propoganda" for our respective POVs.
Don't let a few get under your skin, we are not all followers of their beliefs

I was accused of being an Illegal, LOL
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Old 08-06-2008, 06:26 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Don't let a few get under your skin, we are not all followers of their beliefs

I was accused of being an Illegal, LOL
.............and, the (law enforcement) hammer is claiming more illegal immigrants and their enablers by the day
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Old 08-06-2008, 06:53 PM
 
Location: State of Being
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Don't let a few get under your skin, we are not all followers of their beliefs

I was accused of being an Illegal, LOL
I am sorry, Sassy. We are stating the LAW. Either you follow the rule of law or you don't. Those who don't are at risk of being criminally prosecuted and that is what is going on w/ the illegal immigrant issue.

We all are bound by the laws of our state and federal government. People who sneak over the border have broken the law. Plain and simple.
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Old 08-06-2008, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Wow, what a load of crappola! You pro-illegals make blanket statements that "Americans have reaped the benefits" and that "nobody got upset until the marches" and I call BS!!

I was upset 15 years ago when I saw my job's wages being driven into the gutter by illegal (and SHODDY) competition! I haven't reaped ANY benefits from this massive influx of criminal aliens! Y'all need to cut the crap!!
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Old 08-06-2008, 07:12 PM
 
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.............and, the (law enforcement) hammer is claiming more illegal immigrants and their enablers by the day

Cannot hardly wait, I'm well aware of what the laws are.
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Old 08-06-2008, 07:14 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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There have been so many cogent arguments, that I really don’t have much to add. However, I feel it’s important to mention the fact that the average American citizen was not privy to the illegal hiring practices of corporations. We bear no responsibility for unscrupulous employers hiring illegal aliens, anymore than we do for corporations outsourcing and insourcing jobs. Yes, we noticed an increase in the “immigrant” population. However, until the massive marches, most citizens did not realize the ‘new’ faces were in fact illegal aliens.

If illegal aliens were under the impression that their services would be required indefinitely, they simply erred in their judgment. If they, and their supporters want to blame anyone, they should blame the greedy employers, not the citizens of this country. We are the “true” victims.
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Old 08-06-2008, 07:19 PM
 
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There have been so many cogent arguments, that I really don’t have much to add. However, I feel it’s important to mention the fact that the average American citizen was not privy to the illegal hiring practices of corporations. We bear no responsibility for unscrupulous employers hiring illegal aliens, anymore than we do for corporations outsourcing and insourcing jobs. Yes, we noticed an increase in the “immigrant” population. However, until the massive marches, most citizens did not realize the ‘new’ faces were in fact illegal aliens.

If illegal aliens were under the impression that their services would be required indefinitely, they simply erred in their judgment. If they, and their supporters want to blame anyone, they should blame the greedy employers, not the citizens of this country. We are the “true” victims.


I agree with you and I do blame our goverment (that does not care) and the employers that hire them, I do not blame the Illegals.
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