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Old 08-07-2008, 12:48 PM
 
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Well, like I said, I'm for punishing idnustries which hire illegal laborers with methods such as very high fines. Illegal immigration should be stopped. However, Part of this solution should include a allowing those already under the system to become a part of it. To not is unrealistic.
I suppose I have a hang-up on human rights. If humans don't treat each other decently, what's the point.
I'm not against ALL of what's being said here. Just that its implemented in a way that's fair to all. The illegal immigrants, and ourselves. THere are human methods to do so. To simply allow them legality, without reforming the system, is bad. To just attempt to kick them all out, is also bad. Comprehensive is the word that shold apply. We can all work together to get ends that we can all be content about and provide a more legal future for everyone. Openeing up more legal immigration, and increasing enforcement and punishment of those who employ illegal immigrants is a human compromise.
I think you mean 'humane'.
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Old 08-07-2008, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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Well, like I said, I'm for punishing idnustries which hire illegal laborers with methods such as very high fines. Illegal immigration should be stopped. However, Part of this solution should include a allowing those already under the system to become a part of it. To not is unrealistic.
I suppose I have a hang-up on human rights. If humans don't treat each other decently, what's the point.
I'm not against ALL of what's being said here. Just that its implemented in a way that's fair to all. The illegal immigrants, and ourselves. THere are human methods to do so. To simply allow them legality, without reforming the system, is bad. To just attempt to kick them all out, is also bad. Comprehensive is the word that shold apply. We can all work together to get ends that we can all be content about and provide a more legal future for everyone. Openeing up more legal immigration, and increasing enforcement and punishment of those who employ illegal immigrants is a human compromise.
Amnesty has been tried and failed miserably. So what do you suggest? Illegal Immigration is like an online scam. People are lured into something illegal. Those who fall for these scams end up paying the consequenses no matter how intentional it was.
Same with Illegal Immigration, they knowingly break the law by crossing the border, Drive without a license/insurance, ID fraud, ignore our laws...and more...
If they don't pay the price, we do. This only encourages them more...
So do you want to be fair on both sides?
Or are you for rewarding criminals?
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Old 08-07-2008, 01:30 PM
 
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Amnesty has been tried and failed miserably. So what do you suggest? Illegal Immigration is like an online scam. People are lured into something illegal. Those who fall for these scams end up paying the consequenses no matter how intentional it was.
Same with Illegal Immigration, they knowingly break the law by crossing the border, Drive without a license/insurance, ID fraud, ignore our laws...and more...
If they don't pay the price, we do. This only encourages them more...
So do you want to be fair on both sides?
Or are you for rewarding criminals?
If you'd just read my post, you'd understand that amnesty alone doesn't solve the problem. amnesty is part of the solution, but in isolation of other policy changes, indeed just prolongs the problem. I don't disagree with that.
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Old 08-07-2008, 01:41 PM
 
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I think you mean 'humane'.
Great job andrea!!! He missed an e... want your cookie now?
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Old 08-07-2008, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Wilmington, NC
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hey, have you heard all that great news out of texas? they are executing all sorts of illegal murders, and the acquitted joe horn of killing those two criminals. what a great state!

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Great job andrea!!! He missed an e... want your cookie now?
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Old 08-07-2008, 01:47 PM
 
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hey, have you heard all that great news out of texas? they are executing all sorts of illegal murders, and the acquitted joe horn of killing those two criminals. what a great state!
I never knew murders were LEGAL!!! Maybe you should join the illegals in taking ESL classes?
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Old 08-07-2008, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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I can understand most of bluebeard's points; the problem is we simply have too many of those lawbreakers here from Mexico, etc.

And; factoring in things like ID theft, etc. we are discussing Felonies.......which would land an American in hot water. Subtracting the ID theft criminals, etc. would eliminate most of the illegals from any sort of an amnesty--------otherwise, they would wind up in prison.
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Old 08-07-2008, 01:56 PM
 
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Great job andrea!!! He missed an e... want your cookie now?

No thanks! No cookies for me. You can buy me another case of ammo, though.
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Old 08-07-2008, 01:58 PM
 
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I never knew murders were LEGAL!!! Maybe you should join the illegals in taking ESL classes?
He obviously left out the word "alien". And you are the one who just criticized andreabeth for mentioning an "e" left off of another post? Can you say hypocrite?
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Old 08-07-2008, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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He obviously left out the word "alien". And you are the one who just criticized andreabeth for mentioning an "e" left off of another post? Can you say hypocrite?
Consider the source.

The hostility against illegal immigrants is deepening hence those lawbreakers shaking in fear----------trying to use machismo to cover it up
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