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Old 08-08-2008, 10:22 AM
 
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I saw something last night on Lou Dobbs. It showed McCain insisting that he was NOT for amnesty, BUT we must have a "comprehensive immigration plan". The woman asking the question was really giving him a hard time.

"Comprehensive immigration plan" = "amnesty". They just don't like to use that word, because it gets us all up in arms. They keep saying the person will have to pay back taxes, take English classes, etc. etc. If anyone comes over the border illegally and they get the chance to become a citizen, that is AMNESTY.

It's going to be up to the states, counties, cities, etc. no matter who is president now or in the future - the presidents don't have the balls to do anything.
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Old 08-08-2008, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Let’s look at this realistically. Why would our government and the corporate elite actually want amnesty for the 20-30 million members of their ‘slave’ workforce? Why would La Raza, the ACLU, and other special interest groups who reap financial benefits from the so-called discrimination and oppression of said group, want to eliminate with the stroke of a pen, their lucrative coffer? Why would the Mexican government want to diminish the BILLIONS in remittances that fuel their economy? The only reason illegals are able to send billions out of this country is due to the fact that most are either paid under the table in cash, or pay little or no taxes, and are subsidized by the legal taxpayers. As legal citizens, they would be expected to pay for their prenatal and postnatal care and ER visits. Their “valid” SSN, driver’s license, and other ID would enable hospitals and creditors to pursue them for payment, just like other legal citizens. Their preferential treatment would cease, along with their ‘surplus’ wages.

As I’ve mentioned previously, illegal aliens are ONLY profitable as long as they are in fact illegal. Cheap labor is the fuel that runs the corporate profit engine. If these people were amnestied, they would suddenly become the same as the rest of the legal citizens of this country. If you think they’re arrogant now, imagine the demands if they were legal citizens. Do employers want to employ legal citizens, and pay them at least minimum wage? Do employers want to employ legal citizens, and pay the requisite taxes and insurance, as well as the benefits legal citizens receive? Do employers want the added burden of health insurance and workers’ comp for an additional 20-30 million employees? The answer is a resounding NO.

Illegal immigration enables employers to pay dirt cheap wages, few taxes, no insurance, no health benefits, and reap mega profits – all subsidized by the hard-working taxpayers. Employers are also able to exploit their ‘slave’ workforce, realizing few will complain, lest they risk being reported to ICE. Why on earth would they want their gravy train to stop?

Yes, the government will ‘feign’ attempts at the passage of CIR to appease the “Hispanic” population. They will have their usual Congressional hearings, and the votes will always fall short. The American public will vociferously oppose all amnesty attempts, and our pandering elected representatives will blame the xenophobic masses for yet another defeat of CIR. They will continue to promise illegal aliens everything but the kitchen sink, knowing they have no intentions of ever delivering on their promises…….but, at least they will have tried (wink, wink). Illegal alien sheeple will continue to have faith in “their” representatives, and we will continue to have the status quo. Americans will continue to have their wages depressed, legitimate businesses will continue to be underbid by greedy employers of illegals; and the anger, hostility, and violence will continue to mount.

We need nationwide enforcement of ALL immigration laws, SEVERE penalties for employing illegals, and secured borders. Nothing else will stop the illegal alien invasion. We The People MUST make this happen. If we fail, we can kiss the middle-class and our country goodbye. They don’t want amnesty; they want a steady flow of cheap “illegal” labor……JMHO.
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Old 08-08-2008, 06:05 PM
 
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Another thing is that American citizens need to stop being respectful of any illegal alien, even if they do get amnesty because we all know how they got their amnesty. It is called blackmail. If they think that people will have resepct for them even with amnesty, they have another think coming.
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Old 08-08-2008, 06:10 PM
 
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Yup. Amnesty is coming.

The main problem is that even though the vast majority of Americans are genuinely dissatisfied with our immigration realities (upwards of say 75-80%) it is only a much smaller minority who are mad enough to make this their number one issue. Case in point, the "conservative movement" couldn't muster the energy needed to get an immigration restrictionist out of the Republican primary season and are forced to settle for McCain.

Naturally the Democrat pols could care less about immigration enforcement since they see these immigrants as future Democratic voters, sufficiently numerous as to give their party permanent electoral control over America's national politics in the coming future.
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Old 08-08-2008, 06:14 PM
 
Location: Missouri
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Yup. Amnesty is coming.

The main problem is that even though the vast majority of Americans are genuinely dissatisfied with our immigration realities (upwards of say 75-80%) it is only a much smaller minority who are mad enough to make this their number one issue. Case in point, the "conservative movement" couldn't muster the energy needed to get an immigration restrictionist out of the Republican primary season and are forced to settle for McCain.

Naturally the Democrat pols could care less about immigration enforcement since they see these immigrants as future Democratic voters, sufficiently numerous as to give their party permanent electoral control over America's national politics in the coming future.
yes, and to continue taking even more of our tax dollars to support the underclass that they want so bad.
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Old 08-08-2008, 06:52 PM
 
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Yup. Amnesty is coming.

The main problem is that even though the vast majority of Americans are genuinely dissatisfied with our immigration realities (upwards of say 75-80%) it is only a much smaller minority who are mad enough to make this their number one issue. Case in point, the "conservative movement" couldn't muster the energy needed to get an immigration restrictionist out of the Republican primary season and are forced to settle for McCain.

Naturally the Democrat pols could care less about immigration enforcement since they see these immigrants as future Democratic voters, sufficiently numerous as to give their party permanent electoral control over America's national politics in the coming future.
The anger is growing, and I do believe there will be opposition loud enough to send a clear message.
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Old 08-08-2008, 07:06 PM
 
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The anger is growing, and I do believe there will be opposition loud enough to send a clear message.
Yes, I believe that you're correct, there's definitely a great deal of anger growing.

We're definitely headed for interesting times.
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Old 08-08-2008, 07:24 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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I strongly suspect there will be an 'amnesty'-----------once most of the illegals have self deported.

Needless to say: if we do wind up with any species of amnesty------------those illegals who committed Felonies need to be either deported by force if necessary or do full jail time in a US prison.
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Old 08-08-2008, 07:28 PM
 
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No it doesn't. You obviously are not a citizen, if you were you would know better. We aren't talking about millions of rocket scientists being granted amnesty.

Minimum wage earners pay very little payroll taxes and whatever they pay they usually wind up getting back 100% in the form of a tax return/rebate at the end of the year.

Additionally, employer paid benefits are optional and the low wage jobs that IA's hold usually provide little to no benefits. So guess what that means? Millions of poverty stricken, illiterate breeders, becoming legalized to breed, overpopulate, impoverish and destroy what's left of those of us in the middle class who are already forced to pay too much in taxes to prop up these losers and their broods.
OMG AMC760, You have been tossed in with the rest of the Illegals of this forum, I hope you have been paying your taxes
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Old 08-08-2008, 07:42 PM
 
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No it doesn't. You obviously are not a citizen, if you were you would know better. We aren't talking about millions of rocket scientists being granted amnesty.

Minimum wage earners pay very little payroll taxes and whatever they pay they usually wind up getting back 100% in the form of a tax return/rebate at the end of the year.

Additionally, employer paid benefits are optional and the low wage jobs that IA's hold usually provide little to no benefits. So guess what that means? Millions of poverty stricken, illiterate breeders, becoming legalized to breed, overpopulate, impoverish and destroy what's left of those of us in the middle class who are already forced to pay too much in taxes to prop up these losers and their broods.
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But if theyre not illegal anymore, doesn't that mean they become taxpayers? And doesn't that mean that they end up footing the bill too? For themselves, and all the lazy Americans on welfare to boot?


You nailed it AMC760, that is what everyone has wanted and now there is a logical solution...It's all good
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