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Old 08-09-2008, 07:04 PM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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Are you having a hard time paying your bills, making ends meet or putting your kids through college? You need to know how much of your hard-earned money the government is skimming off and diverting into handouts to immigrants and illegal immigrants.

You can read the depressing details in the new 70-page document called "The Economic and Fiscal Impact of Immigration" by Edwin S. Rubenstein. http://www.esrresearch.com/Rubensteinreport.pdf A Manhattan Institute adjunct fellow with a mile-long scholarly resume, he has been doing financial analysis ever since he directed the studies of government waste for the Grace Commission in 1984.

The bottom line, which you all need to know in order to figure out your own bottom line, is that U.S. taxpayers are giving more than $9,000 a year in benefits to each immigrant, a full one-third of whom are in the country illegally. That's $36,000 for each immigrant household of four.

Because the U.S. has 37 million immigrants, legal and illegal, the national cost was more than $346 billion last year, which was twice our fiscal deficit. The cost of immigrants is so high because, as Rubenstein writes, "Immigrants are poorer, pay less taxes and are more likely to receive public benefits than natives."

So here it is in black and white my friends, straight from a source whose credentials cannot be impugned.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. In my opinion, a five year moritorium on ALL immigration (legal and illegal) would greatly benefit this country. We need a period of time with no new residents adding themselves and their families to our great melting pot in order to straighten out this humongous FUBAR.

Big Brother hasn't told you this bad news, perhaps because the government doesn't want you to know why your paychecks are shortchanged. Even the huge amnesty bill that was defeated last year didn't contain one word about its budgetary consequences.

Now you know why.
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Old 08-09-2008, 07:15 PM
 
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Because the U.S. has 37 million immigrants, legal and illegal, the national cost was more than $346 billion last year, which was twice our fiscal deficit. The cost of immigrants is so high because, as Rubenstein writes, "Immigrants are poorer, pay less taxes and are more likely to receive public benefits than natives."

So here it is in black and white my friends, straight from a source whose credentials cannot be impugned.

Wow . . . .just wow. It's worse than I thought it is.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. In my opinion, a five year moritorium on ALL immigration (legal and illegal) would greatly benefit this country. We need a period of time with no new residents adding themselves and their families to our great melting pot in order to straighten out this humongous FUBAR.
Thank you so much for this vital information, maybe now the IA's will finally stop pretending that we are all racists crazies. Sorry I can't rep you gotta spread a little love.

As for the comment regarding the moratorium on ALL immigration. That is something that I have stated on more than one occasion only to be told I hate immigrants.

As for FUBAR, sadly, its too late America is already there.

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Old 08-09-2008, 07:18 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Stopping illegal immigration-----------no argument from me.

Cutting off all legal immigration I strongly disagree with. Note though restricting immigration to pre 1965 quotas I am OK with
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Old 08-09-2008, 07:53 PM
 
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Stopping illegal immigration-----------no argument from me.

Cutting off all legal immigration I strongly disagree with. Note though restricting immigration to pre 1965 quotas I am OK with
I have to respectfully disagree. In light of the fact that we take in more legal immigrants annually than all of the other nations combined, I think we need to take a break. I agree that a temporary moratorium for at least 5 years would help us return to some sense of normalcy. America is broke and as long as we continue to take in HB1 Visa holders and those with nothing to offer who come here primarily looking for their "dream" we will remain a dysfunctional nation in dire need of restructuring.

We both know that our country is literally falling apart at the seams. Those who are coming here are not needed, they are coming because they are in need. We cannot continue to take in the neediest, socially dysfunctional, uneducated people of all of these 3rd world countries who are mentally immune to birth control, have no means of supporting the children they procreate, but don't have enough sense to abstain from sexual relations.

White collar jobs are being outsourced and filled by Visa holders and America's rate of unemployment is climbing steadily on a daily basis. We need to deport everyone that we possibly can that is here illegally, especially those on welfare who are perpetually draining our resources. If they have anchors give them the option of either taking them back with them or leaving them with an appointed guardian who will assume ALL financial and physical responsibility for them. Everybody else here illegally needs to get the hell out. We also need to empty out the jails, make their governments responsible for accepting them upon their return and deduct the cost of jail, courts, interpreters and deportation from any US foreign aid received from the illegal aliens' country of origin.

Despite the rates of deportation and those leaving, our borders are still wide open for anyone who wishes to come back in. It's time to temporarily seal the border and halt all immigration until we get our own chaotic mess of a country in order.
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Old 08-09-2008, 07:59 PM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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Note AZ, that I did not say that we should forever ban all immigration.

I suggested a five year moritorium so that the U.S. can get its house in order. Our system is so overburdened and so clogged up that we could spend the next five years just clearing the backlog and have no shortage of people becoming new citizens WITHOUT bringing in more.
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Old 08-09-2008, 08:06 PM
 
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There was some pro-illegal alien documentary movie made a couple of years ago about what it would be like in California for a day without illegal aliens. It's premise was that the state would shut down if all illegals were shipped out and that they add more to the economy than they take out of it. Pro-illegal groups don't talk about all the increase strain on hospitals, police and other social services these illegals cause. So many poor illegals is also one of the major causes of another problem liberals having been wringing their hands over in recent years, namely the increase in the income gap between rich and poor. If you allow tens of millions of poor often illiterate people into the country, of course you are going to have an increase in the income gap and a greater need for social services which is funded by more taxes.
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Old 08-09-2008, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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There was some pro-illegal alien documentary movie made a couple of years ago about what it would be like in California for a day without illegal aliens. It's premise was that the state would shut down if all illegals were shipped out and that they add more to the economy than they take out of it. Pro-illegal groups don't talk about all the increase strain on hospitals, police and other social services these illegals cause. So many poor illegals is also one of the major causes of another problem liberals having been wringing their hands over in recent years, namely the increase in the income gap between rich and poor. If you allow tens of millions of poor often illiterate people into the country, of course you are going to have an increase in the income gap and a greater need for social services which is funded by more taxes.
The short term pain would be there---------in particular for Yuppies.

As for the rest of us; read that the semi skilled on down, most likely our wages would increase...........at least for those of us who actually have a work ethic.
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Old 08-09-2008, 08:21 PM
 
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Did the study figure how much immigrants contribute to the nation? If they didn't figure that in the study, then it is deeply flawed.
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Old 08-09-2008, 08:42 PM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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Did the study figure how much immigrants contribute to the nation? If they didn't figure that in the study, then it is deeply flawed.
Gee, did you read the study? Sometimes you just have to do your own research. I provided the study, I'm not providing the cliff notes.

If they're living on the public dole, then chances are the only thing they're contributing to is their own pocketbook wouldn't you think?
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Old 08-09-2008, 11:04 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Gee my wife is a legal immigrant and has never taken a dime of public money. She is a Thai National. I have met quite a few asian immigrants and I don't know any on welfare. I can't speak for the other ethnic backgrounds but general statements don't equate to fact. I am for legal immigration and a controled immigration. Anyone who has read my posts knows my stand on illegals.
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