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View Poll Results: Which choice best describes you?
latino/hispanic, and FOR illegal immigrants/amnesty 4 4.71%
latino/hispanic, and AGAINST illegal immigration/amnesty 14 16.47%
NON-latino/hispanic, and FOR illegal immigrants/amnesty 9 10.59%
NON-latino/hispanic, and AGAINST illegal immigration/amnesty 58 68.24%
Voters: 85. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-12-2008, 08:08 PM
 
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But not as "pro-illegal." My views are too complicated to be forced into a polarized "yes" or "no" or "pro" or "anti".

Your too young to argue with, so how can you undertand whats going on ?
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Old 08-12-2008, 08:09 PM
 
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Oh, I have told them. I have spoken out against them in public and not only on the internet.
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Old 08-12-2008, 08:10 PM
 
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Your too young to argue with, so how can you undertand whats going on ?
What?!?!? I am 23 years old with a degree from a prestigious university and am now in law school. I have lived all over the country and in Europe. I am no dummie and have more life experiences than you know, so don't insult me.
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Old 08-12-2008, 08:23 PM
 
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Tell that to LA RAZA or in english 'the race' .
Typical alipac talking point.

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Many people incorrectly translate our name, “La Raza,” as “the race.” While it is true that one meaning of “raza” in Spanish is indeed “race,” in Spanish, as in English and any other language, words can and do have multiple meanings. As noted in several online dictionaries, “La Raza” means “the people” or “the community.” Translating our name as “the race” is not only inaccurate, it is factually incorrect. “Hispanic” is an ethnicity, not a race. As anyone who has ever met a Dominican American, Mexican American, or Spanish American can attest, Hispanics can be and are members of any and all races.
National Council of La Raza: Translation of La Raza (http://www.nclr.org/section/translation - broken link)
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Old 08-12-2008, 08:41 PM
 
Location: Denver
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Typical alipac talking point.



National Council of La Raza: Translation of La Raza (http://www.nclr.org/section/translation - broken link)

Seriously folks La Raza doesn't mean "The race" like some god awful title,yes a title like that goes against the American culture.
I can understand where you would be confused, but it would take literally a minute or two of Googling to find the Hispanic version of "la raza" means "the people" or "the community" this statement has been around for a long time.
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Old 08-12-2008, 08:48 PM
 
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Seriously folks La Raza doesn't mean "The race" like some god awful title,yes a title like that goes against the American culture.
I can understand where you would be confused, but it would take literally a minute or two of Googling to find the Hispanic version of "la raza" means "the people" or "the community" this statement has been around for a long time.
They don't care about facts, its all about propaganda to them.
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Old 08-12-2008, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Seriously folks La Raza doesn't mean "The race" like some god awful title,yes a title like that goes against the American culture.
I can understand where you would be confused, but it would take literally a minute or two of Googling to find the Hispanic version of "la raza" means "the people" or "the community" this statement has been around for a long time.
Please don't insult our intelligence.
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Old 08-12-2008, 09:15 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Many people incorrectly translate our name, “La Raza,” as “the race.” While it is true that one meaning of “raza” in Spanish is indeed “race,” in Spanish, as in English and any other language, words can and do have multiple meanings. As noted in several online dictionaries, “La Raza” means “the people” or “the community.” Translating our name as “the race” is not only inaccurate, it is factually incorrect. “Hispanic” is an ethnicity, not a race. As anyone who has ever met a Dominican American, Mexican American, or Spanish American can attest, Hispanics can be and are members of any and all races.
In other words, all those accusations of 'racism' are groundless.

And as an aside, the slogan mentioned comes from MEChA, not NCLR.
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Old 08-12-2008, 09:16 PM
 
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Seriously folks La Raza doesn't mean "The race" like some god awful title,yes a title like that goes against the American culture.
I can understand where you would be confused, but it would take literally a minute or two of Googling to find the Hispanic version of "la raza" means "the people" or "the community" this statement has been around for a long time.
Spanish has ample opportunity to express 'the community' in non-offensive terms...how about 'el gente'?....'el grupo'?....'la comunidad'?....'la poblacion'?...'los miembros'?....'la familia'?

"La Raza" is offensive and intimidating, and those who employ that term know it.

Of course, English is the same in many ways....'the race' IS one way of saying 'the group'...or 'the chosen few'...or 'the insiders'....and English-speakers know this...and if they use the term 'the race' in describing a group, they realize it will offend...particularly it will offend non-members. So mostly, they don't use it.
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Old 08-12-2008, 09:23 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Spanish has ample opportunity to express 'the community' in non-offensive terms...how about 'el gente'?....'el grupo'?....'la comunidad'?....'la poblacion'?...'los miembros'?....'la familia'?

"La Raza" is offensive and intimidating, and those who employ that term know it.

Of course, English is the same in many ways....'the race' IS one way of saying 'the group'...or 'the chosen few'...or 'the insiders'....and English-speakers know this...and if they use the term 'the race' in describing a group, they realize it will offend...particularly it will offend non-members. So mostly, they don't use it.
I agree...........a Hispanic organization using especially El Gente in its title sounds classier.
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