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Old 04-14-2010, 10:52 AM
 
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Funny, I didn't see anything in that posters remarks that indicated a superiority complex or that he didn't want to be associated with Mexican Indians. It matters not what the ethnic or racial makeup is of any illegal aliens they have no right to be here and this forum is about illegal immigration, not race or nationality.
Funny, I don't recall that poster even mentioning what they viewed themselves personally as, ethnically or otherwise, so how on earth could someone attack them for having a superiority complex?

Methinks there is someone else with an inferiority complex who is projecting. Catch my drift?

 
Old 04-14-2010, 12:30 PM
 
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I suspect if the illegal aliens were European Hispanics with a college degree who spoke perfect English there would be less of a stink.
 
Old 04-14-2010, 12:48 PM
 
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I suspect if the illegal aliens were European Hispanics with a college degree who spoke perfect English there would be less of a stink.
I suspect you would be wrong in this economy. Our legal immigration laws do expect literacy as well as working knowledge of our English language. Most illegal aliens posses neither. We have enough of homegrown illiteracy in this country. Why is "discrimination" always an issue with pro-illegal aliens? Do you not discriminate against those who try to enter legally who are a benefit to this country by promoting illegal aliens to continue to infiltrate this country?
 
Old 04-14-2010, 12:59 PM
 
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I suspect if the illegal aliens were European Hispanics with a college degree who spoke perfect English there would be less of a stink.
You're right. Nobody even raises an eyebrow over the Asian or Persian invasions because they come here, get a small business loan and go about their business. In the case of the Koreans, they don't trash their neighborhoods either.

Back when Hispanic illegal immigrants were coming, working, and keeping to themselves, they were less likely to get caught and more likely to work up from the fields and into an office. How do you think the Clinton administration ended up with an illegal laborer working in the Whitehouse? I know somebody that used to be a manager at a certain business who turned out to be an illegal immigrant (which is why she got fired) and I would have never thought that she didn't have any papers based on the way she acted.

But now we're overrun with these loudmouths who feel empowered just because one of them managed to get his papers and made it all the way to being a radio talk show host waving flags and getting drunk in public and transforming their new neighborhood into what they were supposed to be escaping from in the first place. They embarass those of us who came here- legal or otherwise- to actually put the work in to better ourselves.

In the end it's all a matter of education. They have little or none of it and since, no matter how bad they are, they are in better living conditions here then they were where they come from they are content and don't educate themselves. They don't think in the long term other than planning to eventually go back to their home countries so they live like college students at spring break. This isn't their home so they trash the place until it's time to go back. Meanwhile, they breed like rabbits and don't raise their children to be any better than they were.

Yeah, there's plenty of them that are here to work and don't cause problems but even they don't bother to educate themselves. They don't learn the language, they don't raise their kids to have any ambition past doing just well enough in school to pass their classes (and some don't even do that) and they don't take precautions to stop having children that they can't afford in the first place.

Of course, this is no different than what the Irish, Italians, Jews, and Polish did at the turn of the century. The difference is that, once one wave of immigrants comes in and finaly assimilates, a new one comes in and starts it all over again but they all come in through Mexico and they all speak spanish so we all get lumped together.
 
Old 04-14-2010, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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You're right. Nobody even raises an eyebrow over the Asian or Persian invasions because they come here, get a small business loan and go about their business. In the case of the Koreans, they don't trash their neighborhoods either.

Back when Hispanic illegal immigrants were coming, working, and keeping to themselves, they were less likely to get caught and more likely to work up from the fields and into an office. How do you think the Clinton administration ended up with an illegal laborer working in the Whitehouse? I know somebody that used to be a manager at a certain business who turned out to be an illegal immigrant (which is why she got fired) and I would have never thought that she didn't have any papers based on the way she acted.

But now we're overrun with these loudmouths who feel empowered just because one of them managed to get his papers and made it all the way to being a radio talk show host waving flags and getting drunk in public and transforming their new neighborhood into what they were supposed to be escaping from in the first place. They embarass those of us who came here- legal or otherwise- to actually put the work in to better ourselves.

In the end it's all a matter of education. They have little or none of it and since, no matter how bad they are, they are in better living conditions here then they were where they come from they are content and don't educate themselves. They don't think in the long term other than planning to eventually go back to their home countries so they live like college students at spring break. This isn't their home so they trash the place until it's time to go back. Meanwhile, they breed like rabbits and don't raise their children to be any better than they were.

Yeah, there's plenty of them that are here to work and don't cause problems but even they don't bother to educate themselves. They don't learn the language, they don't raise their kids to have any ambition past doing just well enough in school to pass their classes (and some don't even do that) and they don't take precautions to stop having children that they can't afford in the first place.

Of course, this is no different than what the Irish, Italians, Jews, and Polish did at the turn of the century. The difference is that, once one wave of immigrants comes in and finaly assimilates, a new one comes in and starts it all over again but they all come in through Mexico and they all speak spanish so we all get lumped together.
Incorrect. Most of the Irish, etc. came here legally whereas many if not most Mexican nationals in the USA today are illegal aliens.
 
Old 04-14-2010, 03:48 PM
 
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Incorrect. Most of the Irish, etc. came here legally whereas many if not most Mexican nationals in the USA today are illegal aliens.
True. Additionally, ALL immigrants arriving prior to about 35 years ago, (including Mexicans) were put through a rather harsh period of 'hazing', in which they were pressured to put their 'old ways' on the back burner, 'get with the program', and become 'Americans'. The large majority (including Mexicans), did so, with varying degrees of difficulty, and today their descendants (most of us) are more-or-less assimilated into American society.

No longer is this occurring. Today's immigrants (including Mexicans) not only aren't "pushed" to assimilate, they're actually ENCOURAGED to retain their 'special' culture from home...(wherever home may be). This, we feel, adds "color" and "interest" to our bland society ('bland' because our ancestors assimilated). A certain number are even allowed to retain their former citizenship while ALSO gaining American citizenship...thereby remaining not only 'anchored' emotionally in their former countries, but legally as well. (How on EARTH this is compatible with new legal US citizens' taking of the oath to 'forsake all former alliances' is anybody's guess).

Thus today we don't seek to 'meld' diverse peoples into 'one nation'...we seek to make diverse peoples even MORE diverse. Can this be done? Nobody knows, because the entire concept of 'multiculturalism' is less than 2 generations old. Today, instead of demanding immigrants 'assimilate to us', our society is now going to great lengths to 'assimilate to THEM'. What message does this send? Several, I suppose..among which are that American citizenship and American values really aren't that important. Good message? I don't believe it is, in the long run.

Illegal immigration is only a small part of this....a formerly 'wrong' thing, against the law, yet tolerated in small numbers, now occurring in HUGE numbers, and sold to us as being 'not WRONG, just ONE WAY of immigrating', and looked at as just one more 'cultural difference'....and if it breaks the law, it must be because 'it's a BAD law'. Big difference from former times.

So no, today's illegal immigration (Hispanic or other) is NOT "just like" the immigration of 100 years ago...Hispanic or not. The immigrants today are arriving with an entirely different attitude, into a society with entirely different standards than before. Big difference....

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Old 04-14-2010, 04:00 PM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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Incorrect. Most of the Irish, etc. came here legally whereas many if not most Mexican nationals in the USA today are illegal aliens.
but Mexican-Americans out number mexican nationals.
 
Old 04-14-2010, 05:01 PM
 
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but Mexican-Americans out number mexican nationals.
It is a pretty even split right now when you count those who are actual citizens of this country vs those here just legally or illegally combined.
 
Old 04-15-2010, 06:30 AM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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You're right. Nobody even raises an eyebrow over the Asian or Persian invasions because they come here, get a small business loan and go about their business. In the case of the Koreans, they don't trash their neighborhoods either.

Back when Hispanic illegal immigrants were coming, working, and keeping to themselves, they were less likely to get caught and more likely to work up from the fields and into an office. How do you think the Clinton administration ended up with an illegal laborer working in the Whitehouse? I know somebody that used to be a manager at a certain business who turned out to be an illegal immigrant (which is why she got fired) and I would have never thought that she didn't have any papers based on the way she acted.

But now we're overrun with these loudmouths who feel empowered just because one of them managed to get his papers and made it all the way to being a radio talk show host waving flags and getting drunk in public and transforming their new neighborhood into what they were supposed to be escaping from in the first place. They embarass those of us who came here- legal or otherwise- to actually put the work in to better ourselves.

In the end it's all a matter of education. They have little or none of it and since, no matter how bad they are, they are in better living conditions here then they were where they come from they are content and don't educate themselves. They don't think in the long term other than planning to eventually go back to their home countries so they live like college students at spring break. This isn't their home so they trash the place until it's time to go back. Meanwhile, they breed like rabbits and don't raise their children to be any better than they were.

Yeah, there's plenty of them that are here to work and don't cause problems but even they don't bother to educate themselves. They don't learn the language, they don't raise their kids to have any ambition past doing just well enough in school to pass their classes (and some don't even do that) and they don't take precautions to stop having children that they can't afford in the first place.

Of course, this is no different than what the Irish, Italians, Jews, and Polish did at the turn of the century. The difference is that, once one wave of immigrants comes in and finaly assimilates, a new one comes in and starts it all over again but they all come in through Mexico and they all speak spanish so we all get lumped together.
Two things I like you to consider,
comming to a different country and trying to make it on the down-lo...how easy or smart is it to assimilate, if you have to be inconspicuos.

most first-generation are less educated and dont speak the language, but that is not passed down, thats left behind with the following generations.

Each group holds on to their culture in one way or the other, there is no law, nor should there be, in expressing one's native culture. If the US Consituton allows an American to have Dual citizenship, then Americans should be free to practice their native culture.
 
Old 04-15-2010, 08:44 AM
 
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Two things I like you to consider,
comming to a different country and trying to make it on the down-lo...how easy or smart is it to assimilate, if you have to be inconspicuos.

most first-generation are less educated and dont speak the language, but that is not passed down, thats left behind with the following generations.

Each group holds on to their culture in one way or the other, there is no law, nor should there be, in expressing one's native culture. If the US Consituton allows an American to have Dual citizenship, then Americans should be free to practice their native culture.
Illegal alien Latinos don't feel the need to assimilate like most "legal" immigrants did in the past because of their large numbers as one group and the number of towns and neighborhoods that have become havens for them by like ethnic group. There are many Latinos that have been here for generations that still do not speak English. I know, I see it first hand at a senior center I go to. As for their kids all they hear is Spanish being spoken in the home. Yes, they do learn English eventually while attending our schools but Spanish remains their primary langauge.

Nothing wrong with retaining one's native language and culture at home just as long as out in mainstream America they adopt ours. That ain't happening.
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