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Old 09-23-2008, 03:46 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Kele View Post
Give this man a cigar!

Make that 2 cigars!

 
Old 09-23-2008, 06:14 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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Originally Posted by GuyPinestra View Post
OK, get this. You give American Hispanics a bad rap by advocating for people who have knowingly broken the laws of this nation.

I've worked ALL MY LIFE to do the RIGHT thing by the values I was taught, and the country that I love. I damned sure don't go to bat for criminals, REGARDLESS of the fact that we may share an ethnicity.

I'm glad you're getting an education, why aren't you taking American History and Civics? You seem to be lacking in those subjects.

If you think I'm ignorant you're only demonstrating your own ignorance.

People don't think you're 'less American' because you're Hispanic, they think you're 'less American' because you defend and support law-breaking wage thieves.


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Originally Posted by JDubsMom View Post
Make that 2 cigars!
Make that 2 Cigars and a "Metal of Honor"
 
Old 09-23-2008, 08:37 PM
 
Location: California
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Make that 2 Cigars and a "Metal of Honor"
Is that kind of like the Medal of Honor? Or is it different?
 
Old 04-06-2010, 01:06 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Oregon Transplant View Post
The media has done a terrible job at explaining Hispanic (Latino) immigration. First they lump illegal and legal immigration together and confuse people with words like undocumented. Then they act like all Hispanics are exactly the same and assume that a Hispanic Immigrant from Buenos Aires who is half Spanish, and half Italian in his ancestry, is the same as a poor uneducated illegal alien who is one hundred percent Indian from Southern Mexico, who may not even speak Spanish.

This is the same as linking Tiger Woods with a dark skinned African Immigrant just off the plane from Nigeria.

Why is the media so ignorant about immigration and race?

This country is full of stupid, uneducated and self-centered people who are living like a Frog in a well. Many people don't know whether Africa is a continent or a country? They don't know how many countries are in europe. Since thier birth they are only taught one thing that - Only America is a great and richest country, We feed nations and blah blah blah and that's why even after they are grown up many have no idea whom they are talking to and what! In thier opinion:
All brown skinned man with Black hairs = Illegal, undocumented mexican
All black whether born in Ghana or South Carolina = African-American
All Muslims especially if with beared = Terrorist
Though some educated families living in top metropolitan areas do have some idea but rest US is like Frog in a Well who think this Well is the whole World.
They are brain-washed from thier birth that America and Americans are this and that and all that crap. And that is one of the biggest reason that America is loosing its respect in the World. President Bush was thrown a shoe before he left office nobody could have even imagined that American President will be thrown a shoe at his face. Not only that these uneducated, senseless, moron Americans also disrespect thier closest ally and most friendly Nation - CANADA. Sometimes even canadians are not even spared from the American habbit to insult others, passing comments and making stereo types which has direct relation to your Nationality.
Obama at least counter balanced some respect of the World towards America because of his gentle personality and great postures otherwise United States was loosing its least remained decorum.

And that's why people should also pay attention to rebuild thier own nations. There was a time when people were dying for American visas and you can see sons and daughters of American applying for Chinese Visa. All latin American countries should unite and remove thier differences and work together to build and create highly educated, paid middle class in your own country so that you can see a time when these US Citizens who are making stereotypes, will be applying for Mexican Visas to work in Mexico. Countries like China, Russia and Japan have filthy rich middle classs which is growing in thier own countries. Same should other countries and do and kick the American asses if they feel that some hard working people are stealing thier jobs then kick the ass of US immigration. Give them entirely opposite message that WE REJECT AMERICA! THIS IS NOT THE AMERICA WHERE WE WANT TO LIVE. And by the way what are the features of America? What people are dying for? What is America? Here is snapshot:
-12 Trillion dollar Debt
-Highest High School failed or Dropout kids who eventually becomes Drug Consumers or criminals and blaim that Mexicans are bringing drug
-Lowest pass rate of students in maths and science (Where the hell is technological leadership???)
-Growing Racism and hate crime (whether towards hispanics or Muslims)
-10% unemployment
-0 yes Zero exports except selling bad things such as weapons and arms
-A failing economy
-Dominated by china in many areas
-Growing protectionism among many areas of business and employment
-Too much Born and non-born type discrimination that even naturalized citizen feel that they are living like a slave sold at Auction in Annapolis MD
-Highest dirty diseases and other infections whether H1N1 or swine or others
-Highest obesity so if your child is studying in any American High School and he will start chewing same beef jerky and choclate and all stuff which slows mind functioning make you fat.
-Growing sex crime and teenage pregnancy - so come to America for better life and opportunity and see your 13 years old daughter becoming ***** and getting abortion
-Growing sexual diseases
-Decreasing wages - so keep washing dishes life long

Now what is the America?? Is that what you need?

WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN FOR LATIN AMERICAN COUNTRIES OR WHAT LATIN COUNTRIES SHOULD DO:

All the global welfare organizations whether it is The World Bank or United Nations are entirely dominated by United States and that's why despite having potential, Developing countries are never able to compete US type countries with a fast and real speed. World Bank type Organizations are partially funded by US Government.
Following steps should be considered immediately to turn the situation around:

-Organize a Latina America summit and all Latin American countries' leaders should come at a table, be friendly, remove tiny small disputes with each other and make a regional cluster of Latin America
-Establish a Organization to work exclusively for creating opportunities in Latin American countries - A New Latin American World Bank.
-For funding sake of this new world bank do the pooling or invite China, Russia into whole Game so China + Russia + All Latin American Countries = Latin American World Bank
-Kick the sad worthless ass of United States of America and invest, rebuild and create opportunities in own countries.
-Kick the ass of United States Immigration and Citizenship - You don't have to become a citizen of a bankrupt nation while your own or other countries have tremendous potential
-Believe in your honesty and believe in your hard work. If through your hardwork you can support work in America then you can do it anywhere and everywhere so just don't run behind a ugly ass Nation.
-China was able to whup American ass because of thier people's talent or Diaspora. Allow Government to pay education program so great students in Latin American countries can go to China or elsewhere and learn Finance, Economics and military science etc so that great ideas could be implemented into the economy and those finance, economic learnt student will create new financial Capitals right here in Latin American Countries-there will be new stock exchanges from Mexico city to Paraguay, commodity trading, stock trading, equity, hedge gunds, private capital, venture capital all those global investments can be invited in Latina American region which will provide new recognition to all latin American countries and high paying jobs as well. Investments can be invited in huge volume.
-Latin American country can create a free business zone where all global financial firms can come and do business with least or no regulation at all which will work as a competitive advantage because America is preparing to decide lunch box menu of wall street CEO's. In other words, US is preparing tighten all financial regulations and speculation or gambling is a human nature, it can never be finished, Businesses always need no regulation jurisdictions so Latin American contries can take advantage of that.

Above are suggestion by which Latin American country can strengthen thier economies, gain a new recognition like China did and no longer thier citizens will have look for United States or its immigration. So Kick this Bankrupt Nation so called USA from your mind and get ready to work on your own.

Last edited by steve.westberg; 04-06-2010 at 02:17 AM..
 
Old 04-06-2010, 06:22 AM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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Is that kind of like the Medal of Honor? Or is it different?
I give that Rant a Mental of Honor...
 
Old 04-06-2010, 06:45 AM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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Originally Posted by Oregon Transplant View Post
The media has done a terrible job at explaining Hispanic (Latino) immigration. First they lump illegal and legal immigration together and confuse people with words like undocumented. Then they act like all Hispanics are exactly the same and assume that a Hispanic Immigrant from Buenos Aires who is half Spanish, and half Italian in his ancestry, is the same as a poor uneducated illegal alien who is one hundred percent Indian from Southern Mexico, who may not even speak Spanish.

This is the same as linking Tiger Woods with a dark skinned African Immigrant just off the plane from Nigeria.

Why is the media so ignorant about immigration and race?
With all due respect Oregon, It is not the "media's" job to educate us.

If we wish to discuss Immigration, then we have to use the words that they people that write the rules use. Words have meaning. You will not find the word(s) "Anchor Baby" in any US code dealling with Immigration. Anchor baby is a word used to elicite a reaction. It has no place in a converstion of immigration. It would be the same as if you were in you college classroom discussing Human Reproduction, and you refered to the fetus as a "the Baby"...What do you think your classmates would think?

So its time that you read up on US code on immigration and learn what the people that decide our laws know. You should be able to speak to any Lawyer, Police Officer, Doctor, Judge, or Legislator about an issue that concerns and not only get your point out, but to be understood and your ideas accepted.
 
Old 04-06-2010, 06:58 AM
 
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With all due respect Oregon, It is not the "media's" job to educate us.

If we wish to discuss Immigration, then we have to use the words that they people that write the rules use. Words have meaning. You will not find the word(s) "Anchor Baby" in any US code dealling with Immigration. Anchor baby is a word used to elicite a reaction. It has no place in a converstion of immigration. It would be the same as if you were in you college classroom discussing Human Reproduction, and you refered to the fetus as a "the Baby"...What do you think your classmates would think?

So its time that you read up on US code on immigration and learn what the people that decide our laws know. You should be able to speak to any Lawyer, Police Officer, Doctor, Judge, or Legislator about an issue that concerns and not only get your point out, but to be understood and your ideas accepted.
You will not find the words "xenophobe, racist or hater" in the US code in regards to "illegal" immigration either but we hear them constantly from the pro-illegal apologists. Clean up your own backyard first.
 
Old 04-06-2010, 07:18 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Originally Posted by steve.westberg View Post
This country is full of stupid, uneducated and self-centered people who are living like a Frog in a well. Many people don't know whether Africa is a continent or a country? They don't know how many countries are in europe. Since thier birth they are only taught one thing that - Only America is a great and richest country, We feed nations and blah blah blah and that's why even after they are grown up many have no idea whom they are talking to and what! In thier opinion:
All brown skinned man with Black hairs = Illegal, undocumented mexican
All black whether born in Ghana or South Carolina = African-American
All Muslims especially if with beared = Terrorist
Though some educated families living in top metropolitan areas do have some idea but rest US is like Frog in a Well who think this Well is the whole World.
They are brain-washed from thier birth that America and Americans are this and that and all that crap. And that is one of the biggest reason that America is loosing its respect in the World. President Bush was thrown a shoe before he left office nobody could have even imagined that American President will be thrown a shoe at his face. Not only that these uneducated, senseless, moron Americans also disrespect thier closest ally and most friendly Nation - CANADA. Sometimes even canadians are not even spared from the American habbit to insult others, passing comments and making stereo types which has direct relation to your Nationality.
Obama at least counter balanced some respect of the World towards America because of his gentle personality and great postures otherwise United States was loosing its least remained decorum.

And that's why people should also pay attention to rebuild thier own nations. There was a time when people were dying for American visas and you can see sons and daughters of American applying for Chinese Visa. All latin American countries should unite and remove thier differences and work together to build and create highly educated, paid middle class in your own country so that you can see a time when these US Citizens who are making stereotypes, will be applying for Mexican Visas to work in Mexico. Countries like China, Russia and Japan have filthy rich middle classs which is growing in thier own countries. Same should other countries and do and kick the American asses if they feel that some hard working people are stealing thier jobs then kick the ass of US immigration. Give them entirely opposite message that WE REJECT AMERICA! THIS IS NOT THE AMERICA WHERE WE WANT TO LIVE. And by the way what are the features of America? What people are dying for? What is America? Here is snapshot:
-12 Trillion dollar Debt
-Highest High School failed or Dropout kids who eventually becomes Drug Consumers or criminals and blaim that Mexicans are bringing drug
-Lowest pass rate of students in maths and science (Where the hell is technological leadership???)
-Growing Racism and hate crime (whether towards hispanics or Muslims)
-10% unemployment
-0 yes Zero exports except selling bad things such as weapons and arms
-A failing economy
-Dominated by china in many areas
-Growing protectionism among many areas of business and employment
-Too much Born and non-born type discrimination that even naturalized citizen feel that they are living like a slave sold at Auction in Annapolis MD
-Highest dirty diseases and other infections whether H1N1 or swine or others
-Highest obesity so if your child is studying in any American High School and he will start chewing same beef jerky and choclate and all stuff which slows mind functioning make you fat.
-Growing sex crime and teenage pregnancy - so come to America for better life and opportunity and see your 13 years old daughter becoming ***** and getting abortion
-Growing sexual diseases
-Decreasing wages - so keep washing dishes life long

Now what is the America?? Is that what you need?

WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN FOR LATIN AMERICAN COUNTRIES OR WHAT LATIN COUNTRIES SHOULD DO:

All the global welfare organizations whether it is The World Bank or United Nations are entirely dominated by United States and that's why despite having potential, Developing countries are never able to compete US type countries with a fast and real speed. World Bank type Organizations are partially funded by US Government.
Following steps should be considered immediately to turn the situation around:

-Organize a Latina America summit and all Latin American countries' leaders should come at a table, be friendly, remove tiny small disputes with each other and make a regional cluster of Latin America
-Establish a Organization to work exclusively for creating opportunities in Latin American countries - A New Latin American World Bank.
-For funding sake of this new world bank do the pooling or invite China, Russia into whole Game so China + Russia + All Latin American Countries = Latin American World Bank
-Kick the sad worthless ass of United States of America and invest, rebuild and create opportunities in own countries.
-Kick the ass of United States Immigration and Citizenship - You don't have to become a citizen of a bankrupt nation while your own or other countries have tremendous potential
-Believe in your honesty and believe in your hard work. If through your hardwork you can support work in America then you can do it anywhere and everywhere so just don't run behind a ugly ass Nation.
-China was able to whup American ass because of thier people's talent or Diaspora. Allow Government to pay education program so great students in Latin American countries can go to China or elsewhere and learn Finance, Economics and military science etc so that great ideas could be implemented into the economy and those finance, economic learnt student will create new financial Capitals right here in Latin American Countries-there will be new stock exchanges from Mexico city to Paraguay, commodity trading, stock trading, equity, hedge gunds, private capital, venture capital all those global investments can be invited in Latina American region which will provide new recognition to all latin American countries and high paying jobs as well. Investments can be invited in huge volume.
-Latin American country can create a free business zone where all global financial firms can come and do business with least or no regulation at all which will work as a competitive advantage because America is preparing to decide lunch box menu of wall street CEO's. In other words, US is preparing tighten all financial regulations and speculation or gambling is a human nature, it can never be finished, Businesses always need no regulation jurisdictions so Latin American contries can take advantage of that.

Above are suggestion by which Latin American country can strengthen thier economies, gain a new recognition like China did and no longer thier citizens will have look for United States or its immigration. So Kick this Bankrupt Nation so called USA from your mind and get ready to work on your own.
You got your countries mixed up: what you described is Mexico line for line---------not the USA. Besides we are starting to clean house---------which in part demands the removal of illegal aliens from our nation.
 
Old 04-06-2010, 10:37 AM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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Why does race even matter in this debate?

A little over 80% of Mexico's population is Mestizo, that is, of Mesoamerican Indian and European blood. Why would the media (or anyone else for that matter) differentiate between those of European ancestry, Native American ancestry, or a conglomeration of the two (with the exception of the fact that Mexican citizens of pure European ancestry rarely emigrate illegally)?

Illegal immigration isn't about race, it's about the rule of law. Either we enforce them for everyone, or we don't enforce them at all, plain and simple.
 
Old 04-06-2010, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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Why does race even matter in this debate?

A little over 80% of Mexico's population is Mestizo, that is, of Mesoamerican Indian and European blood. Why would the media (or anyone else for that matter) differentiate between those of European ancestry, Native American ancestry, or a conglomeration of the two (with the exception of the fact that Mexican citizens of pure European ancestry rarely emigrate illegally)?

Illegal immigration isn't about race, it's about the rule of law. Either we enforce them for everyone, or we don't enforce them at all, plain and simple.
I agree.................
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