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Old 04-06-2010, 02:36 PM
 
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Thank God maybe this will end those incessant posts on heritage and race! This is about illegal immigration no matter what the race! Americans are those born here, birthright citizenship and unfortunately abused by those who simply come here to have a baby for the entitlements reserved for citizens, yet have no interest in becoming part of our culture.

 
Old 04-07-2010, 02:13 PM
 
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Thank God maybe this will end those incessant posts on heritage and race! This is about illegal immigration no matter what the race! Americans are those born here, birthright citizenship and unfortunately abused by those who simply come here to have a baby for the entitlements reserved for citizens, yet have no interest in becoming part of our culture.
First of all, I also oppose illegal immigration but when it comes to American Culture then what culture you are talking about dude? America, a country with almost every race,religion, caste, creed, tribe? The beauty of United States resides in its diversity or variety. Why one should learn and adopt American culture? . What is the American Culture? To Understand the Culture first one must understand who are the Americans and to understand who are the Americans one must understand the History of America and Americans. The people who were totally unsettled in Europe or living below poverty conditions were brought by some Merchants or slave owners. Who were the founding fathers of America - The slave owners and the Europeon criminals and rogues. Remember No person who is well settled in any part of the world would migrate anywhere except for other reasons such as education, tourism etc. Americans are the descendents of those Europeon unsettled criminals and rogues who were completely unsettled in thier own countries or starving because of hunger, poverty, joblessness and homelessness.. Later even ordinary families start migrating but originally those who came here were not decent. No other country has such a dirty, sinful and criminal past as America; from burning humans to lynching. What culture you are talking about?
Who are the Americans? Descendents of those europeon rogues and criminals who were even kicked out from thier own society or were so street-based that just for two time meal, they migrated to work. The losers of Europeon society moved here for two time meal.
 
Old 04-07-2010, 02:21 PM
 
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What culture you are talking about dude? America, a country with almost every race,religion, caste, creed, tribe? The beauty of United States resides in its diversity or variety. Why one should learn and adopt American culture? . What is the American Culture? To Understand the Culture first one must understand who are the Americans and to understand who are the Americans one must understand the History of America and Americans. The people who were totally unsettled in Europe or living below poverty conditions were brought by some Merchants or slave owners. Who were the founding fathers of America - The slave owners and the Europeon criminals and rogues. Remember No person who is well settled in any part of the world would migrate anywhere except for other reasons such as education, tourism etc. Americans are the descendents of those Europeon unsettled criminals and rogues who were completely unsettled in thier own countries or starving because of hunger, poverty, joblessness and homelessness.. Later even ordinary families start migrating but originally those who came here were not decent. No other country has such a dirty, sinful and criminal past as America; from burning humans to lynching. What culture you are talking about?
Who are the Americans? Descendents of those europeon rogues and criminals who were even kicked out from thier own society or were so street-based that just for two time meal, they migrated to work.
I'm a "chick", dude, and if you can't figure out what the American culture is, I suppose you look it up. Hello? 2010 here. These arguments you pose are OLD, very old and hold no water anymore. Illegal aliens and their anchor baby brood sucking this country dry need to be kicked out of this country while our laws are enforced preventing them for ever returning. They have no desire to become American citizens, they only want our entitlements set aside for Americans. Employers who hire such illegal aliens need to be fined, jailed and perhaps loss of their operating license. No matter their race or ethnicity.
 
Old 04-07-2010, 02:29 PM
 
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I'm a "chick", dude, and if you can't figure out what the American culture is, I suppose you look it up. Hello? 2010 here. These arguments you pose are OLD, very old and hold no water anymore. Illegal aliens and their anchor baby brood sucking this country dry need to be kicked out of this country while our laws are enforced preventing them for ever returning. They have no desire to become American citizens, they only want our entitlements set aside for Americans. Employers who hire such illegal aliens need to be fined, jailed and perhaps loss of their operating license. No matter their race or ethnicity.
Like I said that I also oppose illegal immigration but why one should learn American culture if it doesn't make any sense. If He or she may be a naturalized citizen but why one should adopt and learn American culture? As far as arguement goes it really doesn't matter whether arguement is OLD or NEW what matters is that whether arguement is true or not. And also Ms. 2010, The history is always past which is OLD and not NEW. In previous post history was discussed in context of American culture.

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Old 04-07-2010, 02:38 PM
 
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First of all, I also oppose illegal immigration but when it comes to American Culture then what culture you are talking about dude? America, a country with almost every race,religion, caste, creed, tribe? The beauty of United States resides in its diversity or variety. Why one should learn and adopt American culture? . What is the American Culture? To Understand the Culture first one must understand who are the Americans and to understand who are the Americans one must understand the History of America and Americans. The people who were totally unsettled in Europe or living below poverty conditions were brought by some Merchants or slave owners. Who were the founding fathers of America - The slave owners and the Europeon criminals and rogues. Remember No person who is well settled in any part of the world would migrate anywhere except for other reasons such as education, tourism etc. Americans are the descendents of those Europeon unsettled criminals and rogues who were completely unsettled in thier own countries or starving because of hunger, poverty, joblessness and homelessness.. Later even ordinary families start migrating but originally those who came here were not decent. No other country has such a dirty, sinful and criminal past as America; from burning humans to lynching. What culture you are talking about?
Who are the Americans? Descendents of those europeon rogues and criminals who were even kicked out from thier own society or were so street-based that just for two time meal, they migrated to work. The losers of Europeon society moved here for two time meal.
The dominant culture here subscribes to the Rule of Law, the English language, sobriety, education/self improvement, etc.

As for your crack about 'No other country as such a dirty, sinful and criminal past as America': I suggest you bone up on your history--------Nazi Germany, Stalinist Russia (USSR), Communist China, atrocities committed by Hispanic Spain, etc. were far worse. Besides: since this country is as 'foul' as you claim--------why do we have so many damn illegal aliens from just Mexico? Obviously, Mx is far worse than here.
 
Old 04-07-2010, 02:41 PM
 
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Like I said that I also oppose illegal immigration but why one should learn American culture if it doesn't make any sense. If He or she may be a naturalized citizen but why one should adopt and learn American culture? As far as arguement goes it really doesn't matter whether arguement is OLD or NEW what matters is that whether arguement is true or not. And also Ms. 2010, The history is always past which is OLD and not NEW. In previous post history was discussed in context of American culture.
E Pluribus Unum: from many, one.

If a legal immigrant feels that his/her ancestral culture is better than ours; then said individual should leave the USA and make room for a better prospect here. Illegal aliens are criminals and have not right to be here------period.
 
Old 04-07-2010, 02:45 PM
 
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Americans speak English. We respect OUR flag first. We adopt our communities based on respect of others, embracing not segregating, no matter the race. Privately, we celebrate our own religions with those like minded. We defend OUR country. We were born here, generational. Dig up those who are long dead and ask them where they came from. My generational lineage goes back centuries and came here legally for the laws AT THAT TIME. It is ridiculous to go so far back as an argument of who is a natural citizen or not and holds no water. Who cares? Our laws of these days state to enter legally, with restrictions to American entitlements. Illegal aliens breach those terms, refuse to assimilate to our culture (which they would have had to learn if entering legally) and bypass the Constitutional interpretation clause (14th), drop a baby to claim citizenship which grants them our Social Service systems and every other entitlement. So why all of this heritage argument? It makes no sense whatsoever.
 
Old 04-07-2010, 02:54 PM
 
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Americans speak English. We respect OUR flag first. We adopt our communities based on respect of others, embracing not segregating, no matter the race. Privately, we celebrate our own religions with those like minded. We defend OUR country. We were born here, generational. Dig up those who are long dead and ask them where they came from. My generational lineage goes back centuries and came here legally for the laws AT THAT TIME. It is ridiculous to go so far back as an argument of who is a natural citizen or not and holds no water. Who cares? Our laws of these days state to enter legally, with restrictions to American entitlements. Illegal aliens breach those terms, refuse to assimilate to our culture (which they would have had to learn if entering legally) and bypass the Constitutional interpretation clause (14th), drop a baby to claim citizenship which grants them our Social Service systems and every other entitlement. So why all of this heritage argument? It makes no sense whatsoever.
Of course there is no difference about the opinion that one MUST enter legally and obey the law. The only difference is the adoptation of culture. By the way what you defined as american culture, are just common sense based things. If one has died in your family you have to dig him there is no excuse for not digging. If you have festival then it is obivous that you will not invite your enemy and guest will be like-minded.but question is What is the culture? You can't say those common sense based obivous things and define them as culture? It's like if defining American culture as: We people wake up in morning and wash our teeth with respect to teeth, go to toilet and wipe our asses with toilet paper with respect, I mean every human will do these things and these type of things can not be a culture. Then Question is what is and where is American culture? Culture is something more deep and insightful.
 
Old 04-07-2010, 03:02 PM
 
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If one were toc ome here legally, then they already know our culture and hope to assimilate. If they think thier country is better, they can stay there. illegal aliens have no right to even decide anything of our culture. They do not want to follow our rules: ie-the first being come here legally. All bets are off after that. So what is your argument?
 
Old 04-07-2010, 03:09 PM
 
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If one were toc ome here legally, then they already know our culture and hope to assimilate. If they think thier country is better, they can stay there. illegal aliens have no right to even decide anything of our culture. They do not want to follow our rules: ie-the first being come here legally. All bets are off after that. So what is your argument?
Oh yeah definitely I couldn't agree with you more that illegals HAVE NO RIGHT WHATSOEVER to enter in this country. The question is what is the culture? This ignorance that people with visas and well fluent english or you want to call it blonde mimicry, will come and assimilate is not necessary. One may come with his own way superior and cultural values and spread them across America and teach european dropped bastards how to do things right? How about this model?

How about Dr Sidmon Azibo Comes from Nigeria and teach Barbara whether she will get her check or not? Watch this video and you will love it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1gb12jFHFM
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