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Old 08-13-2008, 06:46 AM
 
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The media has done a terrible job at explaining Hispanic (Latino) immigration. First they lump illegal and legal immigration together and confuse people with words like undocumented. Then they act like all Hispanics are exactly the same and assume that a Hispanic Immigrant from Buenos Aires who is half Spanish, and half Italian in his ancestry, is the same as a poor uneducated illegal alien who is one hundred percent Indian from Southern Mexico, who may not even speak Spanish.

This is the same as linking Tiger Woods with a dark skinned African Immigrant just off the plane from Nigeria.

Why is the media so ignorant about immigration and race?

 
Old 08-13-2008, 07:16 AM
 
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The media has done a terrible job at explaining Hispanic (Latino) immigration. First they lump illegal and legal immigration together and confuse people with words like undocumented. Then they act like all Hispanics are exactly the same and assume that a Hispanic Immigrant from Buenos Aires who is half Spanish, and half Italian in his ancestry, is the same as a poor uneducated illegal alien who is one hundred percent Indian from Southern Mexico, who may not even speak Spanish.

This is the same as linking Tiger Woods with a dark skinned African Immigrant just off the plane from Nigeria.

Why is the media so ignorant about immigration and race?
I place a lot of the blame on so-called Hispanic advocacy organizations who want as many 'bodies' to further their various causes.

Too: being that most North American Latinos are indeed Indian or Mestizo; they prefer being referred to as 'Hispanic' along with their White Mexican, etc. countrymen due to the White supremacy of Hispanic culture-----------many of the former are ashamed or hate Indians. The standard of beatuy in both Mexican and Spain is white skin and blue eyes.
 
Old 08-13-2008, 07:22 AM
 
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They are not ignorant one bit-they know the difference. The MSM does this to purposely blur the lines. By using immigrant and not distinguishing between legal and illegal is page 1 of the pro-illegal handbook. Because they know the avaerage American is against the illegal alien invasion but for controlled legal immigration. However if you call it all "immigration" who knows what is what. That way the pro-illegal groups can use the sayings like "we are a country of immigrants-how dare you begrudge someone from coming here like your ancestors did!". However-they leave out the point that Americans are mad about those coming here illegally not legally.

The same thing with "undocumented". Back when they started using it-at first I think they were trying to trick people but it did not work. Undocumented? What is that? If they were illegal they would have called them that so they must just have a "problem with their papers" Everyone know that means illegal alien. However there are many who are trying to get the term "illegal alien" dubbed hate speech-even though it is the truth.

This is the backwards world that we live in. There should be no debate. You are illegal and we should send you home and our borders should be secured so you can never sneak in again. Plus for those who overstay visas-we need a system to track you. Right now-once a visa is issued-there is no way to track visa holders. Why do you think so many of them successfully overstay their visas?
 
Old 08-13-2008, 09:48 AM
 
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The media has done a terrible job at explaining Hispanic (Latino) immigration. First they lump illegal and legal immigration together and confuse people with words like undocumented. Then they act like all Hispanics are exactly the same and assume that a Hispanic Immigrant from Buenos Aires who is half Spanish, and half Italian in his ancestry, is the same as a poor uneducated illegal alien who is one hundred percent Indian from Southern Mexico, who may not even speak Spanish.

This is the same as linking Tiger Woods with a dark skinned African Immigrant just off the plane from Nigeria.

Why is the media so ignorant about immigration and race?
I've found that most educated people know the difference and if not, are ready and willing to accept a short explanation to clear things up for them. The key is getting people to understand that "Hispanic" as used in the United States is a very loose cultural label and says little about race.
 
Old 08-13-2008, 09:51 AM
 
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When you're pushing a weak, questionable, or 'shaky' argument (as those defending illegal immigration most certainly are), confusion and vagueness work in your favor. When you have 'the truth' or common sense on your side, you can speak plainly and in simple terms...if NOT, however, then you must 'improvise' and begin 'grasping at straws'. It's an old debate technique, and most of us learn it at about age 4...if Mom is 'bawling us out' for misbehaving, it helps if we can tell her the 'kid next door' is worse....or that 'I didn't steal a cookie...actually I stole a Fig Newton'. Call it the "Yabbuts", if you will, (as in 'yeah, but'...)

For example, I might say "illegal immigrants aren't supposed to be here"...to which the 'Yabbuts" might reply, "yeah, but, they're good people"....or 'yeah, but Americans continue to hire them"....or "yeah, but they work harder than Americans"....or "yeah, but we're a rich country"....etc etc etc etc. Notice that NONE of these "yabbut" arguments refutes the fact that illegals are 'out of line'...they simply seek to deflect that fact into other areas of argument...as if to say "illegals may be WRONG, but there are a lot of things 'wronger' ".

This technique of 'watering down' the subject, deflecting the focus of the argument, and 'stirring the pot' by adding more-or-less irrelevant facts, is used by the losing side in MOST debates. Illegal immigration is no different. Believe me, my family is comprised of people in the very CENTER of the false "Indians are mestizos are Mexicans are good people are hardworking are illegal" nonsense. I hear this stuff weekly, and it never gets any less annoying.
 
Old 08-13-2008, 08:49 PM
 
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The media has done a terrible job at explaining Hispanic (Latino) immigration. First they lump illegal and legal immigration together and confuse people with words like undocumented. Then they act like all Hispanics are exactly the same and assume that a Hispanic Immigrant from Buenos Aires who is half Spanish, and half Italian in his ancestry, is the same as a poor uneducated illegal alien who is one hundred percent Indian from Southern Mexico, who may not even speak Spanish.

This is the same as linking Tiger Woods with a dark skinned African Immigrant just off the plane from Nigeria.

Why is the media so ignorant about immigration and race?

I think it's the whiter more European "hispanics" that want it that way. They are trying to establish in the USA the same deal they had back home. That is power for themselves, they as the elite group and a whole lot of peasants backing them up to get them power from the evil despised Americans.
 
Old 08-13-2008, 11:11 PM
 
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la leyendra negra
 
Old 08-14-2008, 11:28 AM
 
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Maybe because the term is directed at people who come from Spanish speaking countries? Both Argentina and Mexico are countries who pre-dominantly speak Spanish.
 
Old 09-18-2008, 11:43 AM
 
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I think it's the whiter more European "hispanics" that want it that way. They are trying to establish in the USA the same deal they had back home. That is power for themselves, they as the elite group and a whole lot of peasants backing them up to get them power from the evil despised Americans.
Nailed it. Racist Caste/Class systems have no place in the Western World! The self-entitlement and self-fancy that "Hispanic Whites" have is unbelievable.
 
Old 09-18-2008, 01:17 PM
 
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Nailed it. Racist Caste/Class systems have no place in the Western World! The self-entitlement and self-fancy that "Hispanic Whites" have is unbelievable.
And MEChA etc. keep enabling the White supremacy of Hispanic culture by embracing it-------yet will never admit to it.
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