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Old 04-06-2009, 08:48 PM
 
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That is where you and I are directly opposite.

If a family wishes to speak their language at home; that is one thing, but knowing fluent English is of paramount importance here in the USA. Being immersed in Spanish, Armenian, Farsi, etc. does not help in assimilation.

As for myself: I am an unhyphenated American of part Hungarian heritage.
Well, I think part of it is that my family pretty global (spread between Africa, Europe, and North America). I think that this globalism enabled me to realize that you can identify with both sides and still be completely assimilated. I don't think that the two are mutually exclusive. I think that if you are at home watching TV, it should be whatever language you desire. Most of the people that watch these shows speak English as well as their native tongue. So again it relates to an increased multi-culturalism that is taking place in the US.

As for my, I have dual citizenship. So technically I am legally Ivorian-American.
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Old 04-06-2009, 09:23 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Well, I think part of it is that my family pretty global (spread between Africa, Europe, and North America). I think that this globalism enabled me to realize that you can identify with both sides and still be completely assimilated. I don't think that the two are mutually exclusive. I think that if you are at home watching TV, it should be whatever language you desire. Most of the people that watch these shows speak English as well as their native tongue. So again it relates to an increased multi-culturalism that is taking place in the US.

As for my, I have dual citizenship. So technically I am legally Ivorian-American.
Frankly: I have no use for multiculturalism-----------it tends to divide, not unify a nation.
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Old 04-06-2009, 09:32 PM
 
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Frankly: I have no use for multiculturalism-----------it tends to divide, not unify a nation.
Better than the alternative. Again, multiculturalism does not destroy nations. If anything ardent nationalism destroys nations (Nazi Germany, Stalin's Russia...).
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Old 04-06-2009, 10:03 PM
 
Location: Lake Norman, North Carolina
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Better than the alternative. Again, multiculturalism does not destroy nations. If anything ardent nationalism destroys nations (Nazi Germany, Stalin's Russia...).
Excessive multiculturalism divides a nation which leads to balkanization, which can destroy a nation. It's happening to the US before our very eyes. Our founding fathers warned against this. Ardent nationalism, to the contrary, UNITES a nation. The US used to be full of patriots. Not so much anymore.
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Old 04-06-2009, 10:23 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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Better than the alternative. Again, multiculturalism does not destroy nations. If anything ardent nationalism destroys nations (Nazi Germany, Stalin's Russia...).
No Nation has survived Multicultualism

YouTube - Can Britain survive Multiculturalism?
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Old 04-06-2009, 10:35 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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I would agree learning Chinese would be very important. However, with rising demographics of Hispanics, it would be relevant for somebody going into marketing to learn Spanish. Just simply because of the increasing number of legal immigrants. I think that the old model of forgetting your old language is going to be extinct (with the exception of some very small communities). Many second and third generation Hispanic Americans know Spanish. Many second and third generation Koreans speak Korean (It was in little Korea all day today...and little Vietnam the day before...It was kind of cool seeing the majority of signs in Walnut, CA, Diamond Bar, CA, Artesia, CA, Westminster, CA, and to a small extent Chino Hills, CA in Vietnamese, Korean, Mandarian, and some Japanese).

So legal Hispanics still speak Spanish at home and within their enclave. I don't know if it will stay that way, but I think that the close proximity and cultural past with Mexico will ensure this.
The rising demographic you speak of are of those here illegally. I don't see that as being healthy for our Country and it goes back to businesses taking advantage of a situation equal to hiring Illegal Aliens. Selling goods and services to Illegal Aliens who aren't supposed to be here is just the same as hiring them. They aren't supposed to be here. They broke the law to get here. It can be broken down pretty easily.

I don't see how selling drugs or buying drugs is any less a crime just the same as my previous paragraph. If you are doing drugs or selling drugs it makes you a criminal in our Society. On that same thought we as Citizens are either part of the problem or part of a solution. Supporting or encouraging illegal behavior is not what we need to be doing no matter how much personal gain we receive from it. This includes how many of our relatives we can help sneak across for a "better life" which just happens to be at the expense and detriment of all of us already living here.
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Old 04-06-2009, 10:50 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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The rising demographic you speak of are of those here illegally. I don't see that as being healthy for our Country and it goes back to businesses taking advantage of a situation equal to hiring Illegal Aliens. Selling goods and services to Illegal Aliens who aren't supposed to be here is just the same as hiring them. They aren't supposed to be here. They broke the law to get here. It can be broken down pretty easily.

I don't see how selling drugs or buying drugs is any less a crime just the same as my previous paragraph. If you are doing drugs or selling drugs it makes you a criminal in our Society. On that same thought we as Citizens are either part of the problem or part of a solution. Supporting or encouraging illegal behavior is not what we need to be doing no matter how much personal gain we receive from it. This includes how many of our relatives we can help sneak across for a "better life" which just happens to be at the expense and detriment of all of us already living here.
In this, the word "Honesty" is re-defined.
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Old 04-06-2009, 11:11 PM
 
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The rising demographic you speak of are of those here illegally. I don't see that as being healthy for our Country and it goes back to businesses taking advantage of a situation equal to hiring Illegal Aliens. Selling goods and services to Illegal Aliens who aren't supposed to be here is just the same as hiring them. They aren't supposed to be here. They broke the law to get here. It can be broken down pretty easily.

I don't see how selling drugs or buying drugs is any less a crime just the same as my previous paragraph. If you are doing drugs or selling drugs it makes you a criminal in our Society. On that same thought we as Citizens are either part of the problem or part of a solution. Supporting or encouraging illegal behavior is not what we need to be doing no matter how much personal gain we receive from it. This includes how many of our relatives we can help sneak across for a "better life" which just happens to be at the expense and detriment of all of us already living here.
No, they are here legally. The majority of Hispanics are legal remember.

Drugs and illegal immigration are two things that are not black and white.
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Old 04-06-2009, 11:20 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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No, they are here legally. The majority of Hispanics are legal remember.

Drugs and illegal immigration are two things that are not black and white.
Legal Latinos are not who the marketers are catering too, it is the illegal ones. It is a market of 20 million and most all legal Latinos speak Engish. This is more greed by the businesses and the crack down of this needs to be kept in place in the raids. Bust the dirt bag employer as well as the scab labor.
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Old 04-06-2009, 11:22 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Excessive multiculturalism divides a nation which leads to balkanization, which can destroy a nation. It's happening to the US before our very eyes. Our founding fathers warned against this. Ardent nationalism, to the contrary, UNITES a nation. The US used to be full of patriots. Not so much anymore.
What are you talking about? 40 years ago, people were being lynched and beaten for their color of their skin.
Certain races were being disenfranchised, barely allowed to participate in this country.

Now we are much closer to being equal, we are the most integrated as we have ever been, and prejudice is being replaced with tolerance more and more.
And this is the destruction of our nation?

Mulitcultralism comes up in this forum so much, i wonder how sincere people are when they say they only have a problem with "illegals".
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