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Old 08-19-2008, 02:49 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Thanks! Yes, it's shocking, isn't it? Imagine legal citizens actually cleaning hotels, waiting tables, working fast food. I even saw Americans working road construction. I had to pinch myself.
Sounds like Benicar was hangin' out with Kele
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Old 08-19-2008, 05:10 PM
 
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Why do you always think I'm talking about you specifically?

I meant a lot of you guys think you speak for the masses, as in "WE AMERICANS" "WE TAXPAYERS" "OUR COUNTRY" etc etc
You're right...no one has the right to presume to speak for others. I'll believe a person when he says "I clean your toilet"....but no one has the right to say "WE clean your TOILETS"...unless he's the owner of a janitorial service, and personally works beside his employees.

And no one has the right to say "WE shouldn't have gone into Iraq"....though it's OK to say "I shouldn't have gone into Iraq"....

I freely admit that I regret killing the Indians, but I can't speak for 'the masses'.
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Old 08-19-2008, 06:25 PM
 
Location: California
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You're right...no one has the right to presume to speak for others. I'll believe a person when he says "I clean your toilet"....but no one has the right to say "WE clean your TOILETS"...unless he's the owner of a janitorial service, and personally works beside his employees.

And no one has the right to say "WE shouldn't have gone into Iraq"....though it's OK to say "I shouldn't have gone into Iraq"....

I freely admit that I regret killing the Indians, but I can't speak for 'the masses'.

Saying something like "WE Shouldn't have gone into Iraq" is the opinion of one person.
Saying "We all agreed on going to Iraq" is speaking for the masses.
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Old 08-19-2008, 07:26 PM
 
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Saying something like "WE Shouldn't have gone into Iraq" is the opinion of one person.
Saying "We all agreed on going to Iraq" is speaking for the masses.
OK...so it's all right to say "THIS American feels", etc etc, but not "We Americans feel", etc......or "THIS taxpayer", but not "the taxpayers"..."My country", but not "our country"?....I don't know, amc...sounds like a stretch to me.....When you say that "a lot of guys think they speak for the masses", how many guys are you referring to? Half of 'the guys'? 70% of 'the guys'? Don't all of us sometimes 'speak for others'?

Actually, your post is incomplete anyway. In fact, "We shouldn't have gone into Iraq" is the opinion of one person...but it's also the opinion of millions of other people as well...On the other hand, "We ALL agreed to go into Iraq" is simply not true.
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Old 08-19-2008, 09:11 PM
 
Location: Northern VA (for now)
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Thanks! Yes, it's shocking, isn't it? Imagine legal citizens actually cleaning hotels, waiting tables, working fast food. I even saw Americans working road construction. I had to pinch myself.
Not that really that shocking to me. I used to live in Hampton, VA where i didn't have to imagine when illegals didnt do all the service jobs b/c they didnt. The HS kids were really utilized in the labor force down there. I ran into half my friends while they were on their jobs at their fast-food places and when i gave my order i never had to repeat it.

Man those were the days.
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Old 08-19-2008, 10:47 PM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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Sounds like Benicar was hangin' out with Kele
Unfortunately not, because I have a feeling she and I would get along like peas in a pod.

Sounds like a great place, where ever she was.....

Welcome back!
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