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Old 08-21-2008, 01:43 AM
 
Location: California
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I think you guys are just mad because this girl breaks your stereotype of an "anchor baby".

Good for her. I hope she gets all the money she deserves to go to school as an American citizen.
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Old 08-21-2008, 05:25 AM
 
Location: Missouri
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I think you guys are just mad because this girl breaks your stereotype of an "anchor baby".

Good for her. I hope she gets all the money she deserves to go to school as an American citizen.
All you care about are people who disrespect this country and all you want is for us to continue to give our money away to illegals and their non-citizen anchor babies.
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Old 08-21-2008, 08:48 AM
 
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I think you guys are just mad because this girl breaks your stereotype of an "anchor baby".

Good for her. I hope she gets all the money she deserves to go to school as an American citizen.
Why is she more deserving of financial aid then a US citizen? Why can't she join the guard as a way to pay for schooling like my dh did? Why can't she work two jobs like I did?
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Old 08-21-2008, 02:49 PM
 
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Why is she more deserving of financial aid then a US citizen? Why can't she join the guard as a way to pay for schooling like my dh did? Why can't she work two jobs like I did?
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Good for her. I hope she gets all the money she deserves to go to school as an American citizen.
American citizens, especially of low income, get all kinds of financial aid for school. Why shouldn't she?
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Old 08-21-2008, 02:50 PM
 
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All you care about are people who disrespect this country and all you want is for us to continue to give our money away to illegals and their non-citizen anchor babies.
anchor babies are citizens, sorry. Thats the law, and according to you, all that matters. What are you? A communist?!
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Old 08-21-2008, 02:52 PM
 
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American citizens, especially of low income, get all kinds of financial aid for school. Why shouldn't she?


tell that to the black kid from the ghettos who can't go to school
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Old 08-21-2008, 02:56 PM
 
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tell that to the black kid from the ghettos who can't go to school
LOL. Quote of the day.

Why can't they go to school?
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Old 08-21-2008, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Missouri
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anchor babies are citizens, sorry. Thats the law, and according to you, all that matters. What are you? A communist?!
NO, they aren't according to the Constitution. They are considered citizens by people who have a warped interpretation of the Constitution and the 14th Amendment. But, you go ahead and believe that falacy that you believe. That is why we are in the trouble we are in the country, because of people like you who go along with the the misinterpretation of the different amendments of the Constitution. I respect the law but I respect the United States Constitution much more. You, and the other socialists that reside in this forum, are the ones who happen to act like Communists.
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Old 08-21-2008, 03:32 PM
 
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NO, they aren't according to the Constitution. They are considered citizens by people who have a warped interpretation of the Constitution and the 14th Amendment. But, you go ahead and believe that falacy that you believe. That is why we are in the trouble we are in the country, because of people like you who go along with the the misinterpretation of the different amendments of the Constitution. I respect the law but I respect the United States Constitution much more. You, and the other socialists that reside in this forum, are the ones who happen to act like Communists.
please stop already
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U.S. Constitution, Amendment XIV reads, in pertinent part, "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside
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Old 08-21-2008, 03:36 PM
 
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please stop already
Here you go and see if you can comprehend the written word.

We are, or should be, familiar with the phrase, "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the States wherein they reside." This can be referred to as the citizenship clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, but what does "subject to the jurisdiction" mean? Jurisdiction can take on different meanings that can have nothing to do with physical boundaries alone--and if the framers meant geographical boundaries they would have simply used the term "limits" rather than "jurisdiction" since that was the custom at the time when distinguishing between physical boundaries and reach of law.

Fortunately, we have the highest possible authority on record to answer this question of how the term "jurisdiction" was to be interpreted and applied, the author of the citizenship clause, Sen. Jacob M. Howard (MI) to tell us exactly what it means and its intended scope as he introduced it to the United States Senate in 1866:

Mr. HOWARD: I now move to take up House joint resolution No. 127.
The motion was agreed to; and the Senate, as in Committee of the Whole, resumed the consideration of the joint resolution (H.R. No. 127) proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States.

The first amendment is to section one, declaring that all "persons born in the United States and Subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the States wherein they reside. I do not propose to say anything on that subject except that the question of citizenship has been fully discussed in this body as not to need any further elucidation, in my opinion. This amendment which I have offered is simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already, that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country.[1]

It is clear the framers of the Fourteenth Amendment had no intention of freely giving away American citizenship to just anyone simply because they may have been born on American soil, something our courts have wrongfully assumed. But what exactly did "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" mean to the framers of the Fourteenth Amendment? Again, we are fortunate to have on record the highest authority to tell us, Sen. Lyman Trumbull, Chairman of the Judiciary Committee, author of the Thirteenth Amendment, and the one who inserted the phrase:
[T]he provision is, that 'all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.' That means 'subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.' What do we mean by 'complete jurisdiction thereof?' Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means.

Trumbull continues, "Can you sue a Navajo Indian in court? Are they in any sense subject to the complete jurisdiction of the United States? By no means. We make treaties with them, and therefore they are not subject to our jurisdiction. If they were, we wouldn't make treaties with them...It is only those persons who come completely within our jurisdiction, who are subject to our laws, that we think of making citizens; and there can be no objection to the proposition that such persons should be citizens.[2]
Sen. Howard concurs with Trumbull's construction:

Mr. HOWARD: I concur entirely with the honorable Senator from Illinois [Trumbull], in holding that the word "jurisdiction," as here employed, ought to be construed so as to imply a full and complete jurisdiction on the part of the United States, whether exercised by Congress, by the executive, or by the judicial department; that is to say, the same jurisdiction in extent and quality as applies to every citizen of the United States now.[3]

In other words, only children born to American citizens can be considered citizens of the United States since only a American citizen could enjoy the "extent and quality" of jurisdiction of an American citizen now.

You can read the rest of this, that is if you would like to learn something about the history of the 14th Amendment.

The UnConstitutionality of Citizenship by Birth to Non-Americans - THE AMERICAN RESISTANCE FOUNDATION
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