Originally Posted by page3000
Not sure what that was supposed to prove. Again, go to Maine.
They are ONLY good if they are LEGAL, NOT RAISING THE CRIME RATE and not USING OUR WELFARE SYSTEM WHATSOEVER. That's not always the case though is it?
OK, I've been reading these ridiculous posts long enough to finally quote one.
"Not using our welfare system?"
Are you joking? do you know where these people are coming from. do you know what a refugee is? I see, basically, no way for a somalian to come here and NOT use our welfare system, at least for some time. FYI, WE BRING THEM HERE! News flash! They don't hop on a plane with a tourist visa! They are not coming her like a regular immigrant, required to prove they can support themselves or have the support of a relative her. They don't come with fat bank accounts!
I will objectively tell you of my experience with a Somalian refugee family as there were a number of them in Worcester Ma. when I lived there.
Yes, they arrive on welfare. They are given housing immediately. (Don't have to wait for the welfare housing like the poor Americans who want to get it, and end up waiting 6 years to pay $35 a month). I knew a woman, her husband, and her daughter. The husband was not the father of her daughter, her daughter's father was murdered. The daughter was about 11.
Start with the mother. She hardly spoke English. She was required to go to English classes every day. She had to walk 2 miles to English classes each way, even in the winter. (This is one reason I was involved with the family, they lived next door to my son's preschool, and her school was near where I worked a few times a week, so I used to give her a ride). She did not have a job. She was desperately looking for a job. She told me several times she wanted work, and did my husband know anywhere at the hospital she could work (he worked at the hosp.). I told her that I was sorry, English is kind of a necessary skill, she should continue to go to classes.
The daughter. A sweeter girl I have never met. She was 11 and had no schooling because since she was 3 and her father was killed, she lived in a refugee camp. Imagine your 11 year old child living in a refugee camp with no schooling! A sweeter, harder working girl I have never met. When I first saw her, she was walking down the street wearing a red slip as a skirt. She was doing her best in school but of course there were problems. I attended a meeting with school administrators, there was a Somali man who spoke good English who translated. This seemed to be the first time the school administration heard the fact that the girl had had no schooling. I asked them what their plan for the girl was, just push her through school with minimal skills and doom her to a life of work at McDonald's? This flat out questioning of what the plan was (there didn't seem to be any plan) seemed to put them on edge a bit and make them think. They decided that they would keep her in 5th grade at least for another year or two to give her a chance to catch up.
The step father--seemed a bit of a loser. Called out sick to work. The mother said he ate all the food in the house and left them with nothing. She ended up getting a divorce from the man.
After that, she moved to Ohio, where her sister and mother were.
Btw, she was sent
to Worcester. These people are not given a map and asked where they would like to go, and they don't sit in their little tent (or whatever) in the refugee camp and say, "wait a minute, let me check the net to see where the best welfare benefits are", hmmmmmmmmm, I'd like to go to Lewiston, ME! This woman had relatives in Columbus and in Atlanta. They don't even attempt to send families to the same area to have a support system other than the welfare system. (Imagine if they sent a whole extended family to one place, HELLO, can I say babysitter, one could babysit while the rest worked.) How do we think these somalians can work a minimum wage job with no support?
I am not going to say only wonderful things about Somalians. I did get the sense that this lady felt a sense of entitlement to the services that she was getting, which annoyed me a bit. But I can only say that our gov't, private charities, etc... must have nurtured that, or maybe that started in the refugee camp (I don't know what type of aid they receive there, but I don't think they work to get it). She also ended up asking me for rides like I was her personal taxi driver. I had to help her several times with notices from the building that she lived in because they didn't pay the rent (when word got around that the husband got a job, the rent went up substantially, he wouldn't give her the money or pay the rent himself, therefore the rent didn't get paid. Eventually, (before the divorce) he quit the job. Had she got the job she wanted, if it was under the table I am sure she wouldn't have reported the income to pay more rent, although if she got it legit. then I am sure she would have come to the realization that she needed to pay and work (not like the husband).
The point is, we bring these people here fully knowing they will need full support for the time being. (I am sure someone knows the average time they are expected to be on welfare). The gov't knows this, and this must factor into how many are allowed to come. Many charity groups are involved as well, fyi. the English classes were held at the lutheran family services.
I also know of an apt that was rented (and paid for) by the Jewish Family services for an Iraqi woman, whose husband had been killed, and her daughter, who quickly left the area to move somewhere near family. Now the apartment is being used by Somalians as well. This apt. is in Springfield Ma. The Jewish family services pay the rent, although I am sure the family is on welfare/food stamps/mass health.
Sorry for the lengthly post but it seems people are commenting here right and left who have had no contact with these people, and have this misguided perception that these people are coming here solely to live off welfare. Trust me, there will not be cases of generations of Somalians on welfare.