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Old 08-21-2008, 04:23 PM
 
Location: southern california
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So you are implying then, that those who hid people from the Nazis were wrong for doing so, as they broke the law?
i am implying that it seems you wana talk about casear, you wana talk about hitler. but i wana talk about here and now and about breaking the law.

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Old 08-21-2008, 04:24 PM
 
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There is a commonality in that the laws regarding both are immoral. I did add the caveat about 'degree of immorality', did you not see it?

Now, as to breaking laws one considers immoral - that is a slippery slope, agreed. One must be very careful not to do more harm (such as bombing clinics surely would do) than the original law did.
Yes, I did see your caveat of degrees....it is just as appropriate to tell an amputee you know how he feels because you had a real big splinter once in the third grade

Nonetheless, do you think immigration laws in and of themselves are immoral? Would you have completely open borders with no say on who is allowed into a country?
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Old 08-21-2008, 04:25 PM
 
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you wana talk about casear, you wana talk about hitler. but i wana talk about here and now and about breaking the law.
Because history always informs the present.
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Old 08-21-2008, 04:26 PM
 
Location: South Bay Native
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you wana talk about casear, you wana talk about hitler. but i wana talk about here and now and about breaking the law.
You have to understand, when it takes a 2 million mile long stretch to find an excuse for flouting the law (how come I'm getting grounded for stealing a cookie? My great-great-great-great grandpapa took a cookie back in 1874 so I should get to take one too!), they will do it.
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Old 08-21-2008, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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imho there is no cure, and no therapy. While I don't believe in the death penalty, I do believe that death is the only thing that would control them.
You're absolutely correct, there is no cure, and the so-called treatment is a joke. Even castration isn't the answer, because they will simply resort to alternative means, much too repulsive to mention on this forum. IMO, it's demonic.
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Old 08-21-2008, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Yes, I did see your caveat of degrees....it is just as appropriate to tell an amputee you know how he feels because you had a real big splinter once in the third grade

Nonetheless, do you think immigration laws in and of themselves are immoral? Would you have completely open borders with no say on who is allowed into a country?
It's sheer absurdity. Sorry I can't rep you.
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Old 08-21-2008, 04:34 PM
 
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Yes, I did see your caveat of degrees....it is just as appropriate to tell an amputee you know how he feels because you had a real big splinter once in the third grade

Nonetheless, do you think immigration laws in and of themselves are immoral? Would you have completely open borders with no say on who is allowed into a country?
Morality is not a question of splinters. I may lie about you and cause you to lose your job, or I may lie and cause you to lose your life. Both are immoral acts, but I would say one has more serious consequences than the other. However, that does not erase the immorality of the first act.

No, not completely open. But much more so than now.
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Old 08-21-2008, 04:34 PM
 
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Isn't aiding and abetting a felony? If caught harboring illegal aliens under the guise of providing a sanctuary, the priests should be arrested, charged and convicted and the church should have it's tax exempt status revoked.
Yup!

US Code Title 8 Chapter 12 Subchapter II Part VIII
Aliens and Nationality
General Penalty Provisions

re : aiding and abetting

Still researching tax law . . but I'm sure the IRS frowns on criminal enterprises having a non-profit tax status. Recommend asking IRS directly on that.
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Old 08-21-2008, 04:39 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Morality is not a question of splinters. I may lie about you and cause you to lose your job, or I may lie and cause you to lose your life. Both are immoral acts, but I would say one has more serious consequences than the other. However, that does not erase the immorality of the first act.

No, not completely open. But much more so than now.
They only way our borders could possibly be more open than now, would be for us to completely remove our border patrol. Is that what you’re suggesting?
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Old 08-21-2008, 04:41 PM
 
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They only way our borders could possibly be more open than now, would be for us to completely remove our border patrol. Is that what you’re suggesting?
What I am suggesting is that we legalise the immigration. That way, we will know who is in the US and can keep out Al Queda and their likes.
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