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Old 08-29-2008, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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I think that mass illegal immigration is a serious problem for America and I want it to stop as much as most other rational-thinking Americans. I am keenly aware of the problems that a large presence of unassimilated and virtually illiterate people inevitable poses for my country.

Nevertheless, I am astonished at the blanket hatred that most posters here seem to exhibit towards all illegals. Case in point-- mixed families, where one member (or more) is an American citizen.

I am very opinionated about the issue of "mixed" families because I am married to a foreigner myself. We did it the right way, went through all the paperwork to bring her here and are now going through more of it to get her permanent residence. And I'll tell you what-- even doing it right is a nerve-wrecking process that requires a lot of (often ridiculous) paperwork and a lot of opportunities to make a mistake and face a long delay. When you realize that your love and your family, the most important things in your life, depend on a byzantine set of rules and procedures, you can't help but feel powerless. Why is it that the Government makes me jump through hoops to be with the one I love, why can't it just accept and respect the choice of a citizen whom it supposedly serves?

It is crystal clear-- forcing a husband to be away from a wife or a child away from a parent is a terrible punishment that cannot be justified easily. Taking the ones you love away from you is about the worst that the Government can do to you. And if you are an American citizen your rights are being violated about as badly as they possibly can be by your own government-- isn't there something wrong here? How is the government serving its own citizens when it takes their spouses, children or parents and sends them far away?

I find it simply sick how people react to a news story about, for instance, an American citizen's "illegal" wife being deported or a Mom being sent away from her "anchor" child who hasn't seen anything but the US in their entire life. I sense a kind of sadistic jubilation here upon hearing that a family like that gets torn apart. The fine assembly of posters in this subforum seems to derive pleasure from suffering of others. When someone (their fellow American, I might add!) sobs in desperation and hopelessness, they're having a good day.
Blanket “hatred” toward illegals? Would you care to expound?

You claim you “did it the right way.” If so, why are you condoning those you don’t? Why should a select group receive preferential treatment, while others are forced to follow the law?

Those who willfully violate our laws must suffer the consequences. That applies to illegal aliens, thieves, murderers, rapists, and all other lawbreakers. Do you also feel our government is wrong for separating the families of other criminals? Should we simply ignore crimes committed by those with spouses and children, to avoid separating a father or mother from their spouse and children?

I’m afraid your ‘logic’ escapes me.
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Old 08-29-2008, 12:14 PM
 
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I think that mass illegal immigration is a serious problem for America and I want it to stop as much as most other rational-thinking Americans. I am keenly aware of the problems that a large presence of unassimilated and virtually illiterate people inevitable poses for my country
Does your foreign spouse fall into that same catagory?
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Old 08-29-2008, 12:15 PM
 
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I guess the same logic can be applied to family members of people who committed crimes who are now in jail now. Essentially THEIR families were broken up as well.
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Old 08-29-2008, 12:24 PM
 
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On your first point, you are right on. As an american citizen, I jumped through hoops, paid a ton of cash and filled out many many forms to be able to adopt my son. But I did it. You are doing it to have your wife stay here as a citizen. There are visa holders that do it. And yet, because a subset of people can walk over a line in the desert...they shouldn't have to? No, I don't think so. The immigration process should be streamlined because as I am sure you are aware there is a lot of needless duplication. But to do away with it entirely....hell no.
As to your second point of the evil government taking away the spouses and mothers and fathers of american citizens....have you ever heard of the prison system? It happens all the time. Furthermore, if an american citizen (yes! even those with children !!) is arrested and tried through the federal system, he/she will often be sent out of their home state to serve their time. And for a lot of people, MN or CO may as well be Tijuana --- the distance is just too great to visit with any frequency, or at all. So, should noone be prosecuted for crimes because inevitably there will be 'innocents' left behind? I guarantee you that everybody in custody today has elderly parents, small children and/or dependent spouse/live in., and most likely all three! Should they be let out? Oh, the evil government breaking up families!! No, these people made decisions that placed their families in jeopardy. And too, unlike jail the families of the deportee can actually accompany their familial illegal back to the home country. And would that be so bad? After all, chances are better then good they all speak the language.
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Old 08-29-2008, 12:36 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Where is the anger towards the Mexican GOVT? Isn't that the real culprit here? Plenty of anger towards the US govt but none towards the leadership of any of these Countries people are fleeing. Don't like my Country please move toward the nearest marked exit.
Thank you for flying get in line and fill out the papers airlines. We hope you had a safe flight and will use us again.
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Old 08-29-2008, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Pa
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It is crystal clear-- forcing a husband to be away from a wife or a child away from a parent is a terrible punishment that cannot be justified easily. Taking the ones you love away from you is about the worst that the Government can do to you. And if you are an American citizen your rights are being violated about as badly as they possibly can be by your own government-- isn't there something wrong here? How is the government serving its own citizens when it takes their spouses, children or parents and sends them far away?
Is the Gov bad when it sends convicted criminals to prison? But some criminals have families? Illegals are criminals. It sucks that their families may be seperated as result. I to am married to a LEGAL immigrant. Yes the paperwork is a challenge and it is redundant. Just because some didn't feel hat they should have to put forth the effort doesn't mean they should get the pass. They had options before getting caught.
1. Return to nation of origin and apply for the K-1 visa. Whoa problem solved even though they did infact cheat.
2. Family can return with you.
3. man up and accept the consequences for your poor judgment and actions.
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Old 08-29-2008, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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Sergeyn- you will only get hatred on this subforum. See they did not even pay attention to the fact that you are going through legal channels. I too am a mixed family that went through the legal process and my spouse is a US citizen. The INS does not make it easy but keep jmping through their hoops and soon the family will be secure. I empathize with your situation but you will get more hatred from these people than anything else. This group takes pride in their biased judgement of their stance. Re-read sergyn's post people he went through legal channels. This is not a forum where they try to fix the problem just to share their hate. Only a select few will be supportive.
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Old 08-29-2008, 12:52 PM
 
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Jesus, people...you are all so kind and just!

Most of you, looks like, haven't even read my post and say how I married a criminal. I thought I clearly said she is perfectly legal, didn't I? But no, the crowd shouted on: crucify him, crucify him...

I'd like to address 2 common sentiments about this, specifically about a marriage between an American and illegal.

1. The American should just go to the illegal spouse's foreign country.

What are they going to eat? Where are they going to live? The countries where most immigrants come from are very tough places to live. And what kind of screwed-up government will put its own citizens into harm's way just so they can be with someone they love? Such a suggestion is callous. Tremendous hardship for an essentially administrative violation.

2. They broke the law and should suffer the consequences.

I'm afraid of people who worship the law like many of you do. You seem to equate "legal" and "moral" which is a dangerous path. Law can justify some pretty messed up stuff, such as slavery, segregation, oppression of women and even genocide. If you tell me someone broke the law, you tell me nothing about the someone's moral character. And I tell you-- the law that breaks families apart is immoral and deserves no more respect than the laws used to punish slaves who escaped.

You, I or anyone has an intrinsic human right to fall in love with anyone and not be persecuted for that. And absolutely, not allowing an American to live with their loved one in America is persecution. The people who don't see that are the same kind of people who saw nothing wrong with slavery. Same self-righteous and heartless demagogues-- there isn't a drop of a difference.

...The sad thing is that this "deport them all no matter what" attitude (which is completely out of place in a civilized country like ours) is partially why there isn't a rational dialogue on immigration. So we've got the liberal nutjobs who think America should have open borders on one side and conservative ones on the other side. If you people understood that SOME of those people belong here and should be forgiven (just for the reasons of human decency), we might avoid a complete amnesty. Otherwise, the other side will eventually win because their "solution" is, while just as crazy, more workable than rounding over 10 million+ people, dragging them out of their homes and families and sending them South.

Good bye, then. You obviously need to hate and you need to place blame on "the other". To each their own and God be your judge.
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Old 08-29-2008, 12:54 PM
 
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It is crystal clear-- forcing a husband to be away from a wife or a child away from a parent is a terrible punishment that cannot be justified easily. Taking the ones you love away from you is about the worst that the Government can do to you. And if you are an American citizen your rights are being violated about as badly as they possibly can be by your own government-- isn't there something wrong here? How is the government serving its own citizens when it takes their spouses, children or parents and sends them far away?
Is the Gov bad when it sends convicted criminals to prison? But some criminals have families? Illegals are criminals. It sucks that their families may be seperated as result. I to am married to a LEGAL immigrant. Yes the paperwork is a challenge and it is redundant. Just because some didn't feel hat they should have to put forth the effort doesn't mean they should get the pass. They had options before getting caught.
1. Return to nation of origin and apply for the K-1 visa. Whoa problem solved even though they did infact cheat.
2. Family can return with you.
3. man up and accept the consequences for your poor judgment and actions.
Agreed! It is my honor to rep you sir!
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Old 08-29-2008, 01:02 PM
 
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Sergeyn- you will only get hatred on this subforum. See they did not even pay attention to the fact that you are going through legal channels. I too am a mixed family that went through the legal process and my spouse is a US citizen. The INS does not make it easy but keep jmping through their hoops and soon the family will be secure. I empathize with your situation but you will get more hatred from these people than anything else. This group takes pride in their biased judgement of their stance. Re-read sergyn's post people he went through legal channels. This is not a forum where they try to fix the problem just to share their hate. Only a select few will be supportive.
Ahem....if you read my response you would see that I did in fact recognize and empathized with his going through the maze know as immigration.
So much for your "see they did not even pay attention to the fact that you are going through legal channels". Looks like you are the one not paying attention
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